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I agree.
However, people are complaining like mad about the simple, blurred interiors in Grid: Autosport. I doubt GT will receive a better response.
Kaz interview on Eurogamer - Standards are here to stay! Poll added
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I agree.
However, people are complaining like mad about the simple, blurred interiors in Grid: Autosport. I doubt GT will receive a better response.
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Agreed. 15 years ago everyone was saying how realistic GT2 looked on PS1. Now it either hurts their eyes or makes them embarrassed.
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If GT7 can deliver on features, gameplay, and replayability in the way GT always has, then I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass about exactly how many polygons X car has. Call me out on whatever "quantity over quality" bull you want, graphics is just icing on the cake for me.
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I doubt the standards will go over to GT7 unchanged, many of them didn't just going from GT5 to GT6.
PD should add in some old school tracks and make a "GT classic" mode. only standard cars and old school tracks. It would be a neat little novelty.
PD should add in some old school tracks and make a "GT classic" mode. only standard cars and old school tracks. It would be a neat little novelty.
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Or people can look past standard cars? Maybe they dont purchase them? Maybe they even... like them? Thats not bad. No one's opinion is correct. People dont seem to understand that and post excuses for their side. F-that. Just say you mind or dont mind. Arguments over things like this is just a time killer.
Its like some think theyre going to force their opinion on others and make them 'fall in line' with their views. Just get a kick outta that!
For me, while quality>quantity,
Theres also gameplay>graphics>sounds
Also new>old, replayability>presentation, more>less.
(Just upgrade the sound. For graphics just upgrade the texture. Also I want race with more than 16 cars since its PS4)
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- Johnnypenso
Now that wasn't so hard was it? There was another question there though. I'll refresh your memory. If you were the developer and were looking at the poll numbers, what would the % of people on GTP that like standards have to be, for you to not put them in the game? In other words if only 50% liked standards would you still put them in the game? 30%? 20%?
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Forget about car quality, even though they have 8-bit like modelling and no interior, what were looking for is a good game. Imagine about B-spec, course maker, speed tests, etc. GT7 should have all the cars in the game in arcade mode if it were to come out.
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A GTP poll isn't exactly a random picking from the fanbase or population. If we were all forced to vote, it would hold up to better scrutiny.
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To be fair, the issue with Grid: Autosport has more to do with Codemasters not learning a thing after that statistic that was pulled from thin air. To quell the self-brewed negativity about Grid 2 not featuring cockpits, you cook up Autosport with blurred-out interiors that are only blurred because the detail is below par for no real reason at all?
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My 2 cents ... I do not get this strong debate about standards vs. premiums. I really don't. I get the feeling, that some people here just don't get the fundamental feature of Gran Turismo - Driving. I don't care if it is a standard or premium. As long as it drives close to real as possible and brings me joy at driving it. I enjoy to drive.
I think it would be sad, to throw away al those standard models (OK, I do agree, that I wouldn't really miss a few of MX5/Skyline/NSX models), but still... Throwing away all standards would probobly bring a strong debate entitled "we need more cars" or "why are there so few cars" and so on
. So ...yea, I support PD's idea of keeping standards, making some of them into premiums and adding more new cars. That is the proper way.
I think it would be sad, to throw away al those standard models (OK, I do agree, that I wouldn't really miss a few of MX5/Skyline/NSX models), but still... Throwing away all standards would probobly bring a strong debate entitled "we need more cars" or "why are there so few cars" and so on
. So ...yea, I support PD's idea of keeping standards, making some of them into premiums and adding more new cars. That is the proper way.194 of their die hard fans are. Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
SoI have a challenge for any standard car fan, rather than just talk in numbers as 90% of you have done so far, actually post a list of the standard cars you absolutely could not do without, that must not be removed. Then tell me if you think its reasonable or not to think those cars could be made in PS4 quality over the next couple of years before GT7 releases.
Go.
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My 2 cents ... I do not get this strong debate about standards vs. premiums. I really don't. I get the feeling, that some people here just don't get the fundamental feature of Gran Turismo - Driving. I don't care if it is a standard or premium. As long as it drives close to real as possible and brings me joy at driving it. I enjoy to drive.
I think it would be sad, to throw away al those standard models (OK, I do agree, that I wouldn't really miss a few of MX5/Skyline/NSX models), but still... Throwing away all standards would probobly bring a strong debate entitled "we need more cars" or "why are there so few cars" and so on
You're basically telling people what parts of the game are important and what's not. This is something that varies from person to person, so you can't tell them they "don't get it". I enjoy driving in GT but at the same time, I can't tolerate the constant recycling of old car models.
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Even though I don't think the list would get any bigger than 150-200, that's a reasonable number to remake or remodel
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So 82 people who probably weren't going to buy the game anyway (since we're generalizing) aren't going to buy the game if they leave standards in, that must mean even less.
So you're telling me that you'd rather PD spend the time and effort to make old cars look better rather than make new cars? How about instead of making 100 standards premiums and 100 new cars, 10,15, or 25 upgraded standards and 175, 185, 190 new cars?
It's funny to me that you are willing to waste time and resources on cars you obviously don't care about even though the people who do care about those cars don't mind them the way they are.
It would likely be the only cars PD could work on for GT7. Better hope everyone has the same list.
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I know Kaz has more than 5cars but if he was a billionaire he would definitely have 100+ cars. He is just obsessed with cars good or bad looking car. The guy just cannot control himself. That is the only reason I can think off.
I will obviously buy the game anyways because of 300+ premiums cars, lots of tracks, gameplay, improved sounds hopefully with decent damage too, and definitely have amazing gfx
I just hope if he decided to have non premiums cars those are upgrade and remove all bad ones and have cockpit. No silhouette please. I will admit I use some standards cars too in first person and one of my fav car is also Toyota racecar 70 with simple cockpit view and have not noticed bad looking cars while playing or replays.
I will obviously buy the game anyways because of 300+ premiums cars, lots of tracks, gameplay, improved sounds hopefully with decent damage too, and definitely have amazing gfx
I just hope if he decided to have non premiums cars those are upgrade and remove all bad ones and have cockpit. No silhouette please. I will admit I use some standards cars too in first person and one of my fav car is also Toyota racecar 70 with simple cockpit view and have not noticed bad looking cars while playing or replays.
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You're right, none of the poll numbers mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
Who said I don't care about the standard vehicles themselves? All i'm getting at is people are talking about losing "800" cars which on the face of it does sound like a huge loss, without actually thinking about how many of those they would truly miss. It's surely nowhere near that number.
As for the time it would take to remodel the 'old' cars there are two simple solutions, more staff or outsourcing. We know it's possible to create hundreds of cars a year by doing this. If you don't want to lose them ever the work needs doing at some point, right? Or will you still have a "better than nothing" attitude towards them on PS6?
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The issue here Samus is that some of us (not saying everyone who's ok with the standards) aren't thinking about just what we personally want. I can't think of hundreds of standards that I would really want to keep, but just because I may not care about a car doesn't mean I think it should be taken out of the game.
They're already there and will surely see improvements going from GT6 to GT7 like the did from GT5 to GT6 (likely to a larger degree). Why take out cars people?
Why does taking them out entirely or just slightly tarting them up have to be the only options?
Yes, not everyone will have the same list of must have cars but if they took the data from GT5/6 they could do the most popular among the millions.
Sure, there would be someone somewhere missing a Daihatsu Cuore from the nineties but with 500 other cars to drive that all look stunning i'm sure they would get over it, just as people did from GT2 into GT3. We've been driving these cars since GT4 at the latest, three games. Why not move onto something new? In real life most people don't keep hanging on to the same car for over a decade unless it's something special. Likewise in other game series we don't hang on to the same stuff for a decade, we move on.
Yes, not everyone will have the same list of must have cars but if they took the data from GT5/6 they could do the most popular among the millions.
Sure, there would be someone somewhere missing a Daihatsu Cuore from the nineties but with 500 other cars to drive that all look stunning i'm sure they would get over it, just as people did from GT2 into GT3. We've been driving these cars since GT4 at the latest, three games. Why not move onto something new? In real life most people don't keep hanging on to the same car for over a decade unless it's something special. Likewise in other game series we don't hang on to the same stuff for a decade, we move on.
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I know I've already said enough of my thoughts on this (and I'm still baffled), but I still have to say; if PD manage to hold on to those standard duplicates, I will truly be baffled. I mean why bother keeping those duplicates if they do so? Noone would miss them and very few people care about car count.
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The sad part is those damn Miatas are semi-premium now, which means duplicates will very well return as well. But of course. Those who likes standard cars likes duplicates too it seems.
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Who said that? I've seen several posts were people has specifically pointed out that they like the standards but don't like the duplicates.
Because of the reality of the current situation. PD is a small team that refuses to outsource. If that changes soon enough to make a difference for GT7 then great, but right now we have what we have.
This idea goes against what you say later in your post. You want them to put the time and energy into updating 50-100 standards. That would eat up a huge amount of the teams resources for making new cars for GT7. As it stands GT6 has 138 more cars than GT5, I doubt that PD can make many more new cars than that for GT7.
Wouldn't it just make more sense to just leave the 800 or so (or 600 ish if you take out the dupes) standard cars and add the extra 150 or so new premiums? Wouldn't 600 premiums with 150 of them being new plus the 800 standards be better than having 600 total cars with 75 being new and 75 being (as you put it) updated cars we've been driving since GT4?
Just lumping them together doesn't make any sense...By that logic everyone who likes the premiums (read: everyone) must also love the Prius, the redbull cars, and the Veyron.
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Yet Kaz is going to add them back...
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