Kaz interview on Eurogamer - Standards are here to stay! Poll added

[NixxxoN]

Welcome to basic self-hurting western world economics.

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West asians are smarter than that, I guarantee. Sadly for us

 

[Samus]

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Um, no. If Eastern countries are involved it's world economics. How would this problem be solved in a basic level, hypothetically? Raise the wages in the east. It's not just the West that causes this 'problem' you're referring to.

 

[SimTourist]

That sounds like bollocks in my opinion. USA is a very large country im sure lots of people would want to work in videogame car modelling however Turn 10 prefers to pay $1000 on a vietnamese salary rather than a $3000 american one.

How is that bad exactly? Say you got a choice of getting a PS4 for $999 in your home country because the taxes are high or you can order one from another country for $399, guaranteed that both work exactly the same and the only difference is the price you pay, which one would you choose?

 

[NixxxoN]

How is that bad exactly? Say you got a choice of getting a PS4 for $999 in your home country because the taxes are high or you can order one from another country for $399, guaranteed that both work exactly the same and the only difference is the price you pay, which one would you choose?

Its good for the individual company, obviously bad for the country, that gets less jobs and less tax income.

Um, no. If Eastern countries are involved it's world economics. How would this problem be solved in a basic level, hypothetically? Raise the wages in the east. It's not just the West that causes this 'problem' you're referring to.

Well, in any case if PD can do everything themselves, why cant Turn10? Answer is greed and ambition to get bigger benefit. Their pay DLC agenda is ridiculous.

 

[Zelalem]

Its good for the individual company, obviously bad for the country, that gets less jobs and less tax income.

Well, in any case if PD can do everything themselves, why cant Turn10? Answer is greed and ambition to get bigger benefit. Their pay DLC agenda is ridiculous.

Why aren't PD hiring a lot of new people? The answer is greed. Don't hire a lot of people, doesn't help their country, other countrys, other companies, other family's and it doesn't help us, because we have to deal with standard cars or bad sounds for example. Don't hire many new people is worse than outsourcing.

 

[Samus]

Well, in any case if PD can do everything themselves, why cant Turn10? Answer is greed and ambition to get bigger benefit. Their pay DLC agenda is ridiculous.

PD can't do everything themselves, isn't that the whole point? If PD were big enough to do everything themselves we wouldn't have this standard debate. T10 outsource so that they can get a bigger and better game, all to the same quality. That's why T10 are able to produce 100 cars or more a year and PD can't.

 

[NJ72]

It's not exactly correct to compare a current-gen game with last-gen game, Forza 4 had 600+ cars that were pretty close to GT's premiums. No quite there but close. FM5 is a step above both FM4 and GT6. And something tells me FM6 is coming before GT7. And if this list is correct then FM5 has 304 cars in total including the DLC. http://www.kudosprime.com/f5/carlist.php
I'm not entirely sure as I haven't bought any DLC, I'm at level 72 and still got just 35 cars in my garage. Plenty more to get in the stock game.

Apologies on the Forza 5 car numbers, I got it from this site: http://forzamotorsport.wikia.com/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_5/Car_List so can't guarantee it's accurate 👍

I know what you are saying about comparing current-gen with previous, but you also have to remember that GT6 was released AFTER forza 5 - whilst they are different platform generations, they should still be comparable games in terms of content volume (in my opinion anyway).

As other posts have said, I'm not trying to start a GT is better than Forza battle or vica-versa, I'm just using it as a reference point as it is currently the only comparable console franchise.

 

[SimTourist]

Its good for the individual company, obviously bad for the country, that gets less jobs and less tax income.

Well, in any case if PD can do everything themselves, why cant Turn10? Answer is greed and ambition to get bigger benefit. Their pay DLC agenda is ridiculous.

US economy has some bigger problems than a few game devs outsourcing work to asia. Gaming industry isn't even that big. And what do you want employers to do? Employ inferior work force and get inferior output just for the sake of some patriotism. If anything a better game results in better sales, and T10 and MC probably have to pay taxes from their revenue. So in the end everyone is even. Asians taking over jobs is a call to americans and europeans to lift their arses from the couch and actually work on developing their skills instead of complaining.
Second argument - maybe because T10 don't wanna spend 6 years developing one game, maybe because they don't have a budget comparable to GT, maybe because they want to focus on making less features but all of them of high quality and delivered on time. This is such a ridiculous argument, it's like asking why is CoD able to come out every year, but for a new Bioshock we have to wait 6 years. Different targets, different ambitions, different budgets, different concepts, different people behind the project. There are countless reasons why different developers handle developing process different. PD does everything themselves, but what do we get in the end? Cars modelled as far back as 1999 in a PS4 game.

 

[NixxxoN]

Why aren't PD hiring a lot of new people? The answer is greed. Don't hire a lot of people, doesn't help their country, other countrys, other companies, other family's and it doesn't help us, because we have to deal with standard cars or bad sounds for example. Don't hire many new people is worse than outsourcing.

PD can't do everything themselves, isn't that the whole point? If PD were big enough to do everything themselves we wouldn't have this standard debate. T10 outsource so that they can get a bigger and better game, all to the same quality. That's why T10 are able to produce 100 cars or more a year and PD can't.

Maybe PD have higher quality standards, for the one car one person artistry policy, I dont know.
And yeah forza 5 is clearly bigger and better in quantity... right.

 

[Samus]

Maybe PD have higher quality standards, for the one car one person artistry policy, I dont know.

But they're happy with PS2 models on PS3 and PS4. Logical. "Those new premiums must look perfect down to the last bolt! I'll accept nothing less! Oh that standard car from 2004, sure throw that in looking like crap, it's cool".

And yeah forza 5 is clearly bigger and better in quantity... right.

No, because they did what PD don't, took a quality over quantity approach on a new console generation. Forza 4 on the other hand was bigger than GT5/6 in PS3/Xbox 360 level content. Way ahead.

 

[MXH]

Maybe PD have higher quality standards, for the one car one person artistry policy, I dont know.
And yeah forza 5 is clearly bigger and better in quantity... right.

Joke of the day. When you're stubbornly inclined to hang on to assets from two console generations ago, you have anything but high standards.

 

[SimTourist]

Maybe PD have higher quality standards, for the one car one person artistry policy, I dont know.
And yeah forza 5 is clearly bigger and better in quantity... right.

On the same gen they were bigger in quantity, FM4 has 671 full modelled cars with interiors for example. GT6 is approaching 400.

 

[Zelalem]

Maybe PD have higher quality standards, for the one car one person artistry policy, I dont know.

The only talented car creaters are from PD and live in japan confirmed.

 

[steve30x]

If standard cars were abolished then a lot of people would be complaining that there isnt enough cars compared to previous GT games. Similar to what happened with Forza 5 where they dropped a lot of cars because they werent good enough quality for the Xbox one. I will be ok with Standard cars once they cull all the duplicates.

 

[MasamuneDate]

PD can't do everything themselves, isn't that the whole point? If PD were big enough to do everything themselves we wouldn't have this standard debate. T10 outsource so that they can get a bigger and better game, all to the same quality. That's why T10 are able to produce 100 cars or more a year and PD can't.

Regarding another of Gran Turismo's greatest flaws. PD's AI programmers also has shown us time and time again that they don't have the required skills to create a decent racing AI. Therefore, PD should outsource that task to someone who knows or what his doing, or preferably, hire someone who knows and bring he/them to their ranks.

 

[Gejabo]

So you guys are with Kaz, quantity over quality? Because 500 PS4 quality cars wouldn't be enough for you?

If that would mean losing all FTO's, GTO's etc. than no it wouldn't

 

[crowhop]

Kaz doesn't want to lose the Standards because by doing that we'd also lose a LOT of great, rare racecars and prototypes which would be near impossible to update. Those cars catalogue racing history, in many respects, and Kaz loves that. I think it is definitely unique and kind of makes GT special in that regard compared to other games. For this reason I think we will see the return of the Museum cards with a new console which could support it. The DTM, Rally and most of the LMP cars would be gone from the game. For better or worse, the rare Standards are here to stay.

-Toyota MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V '89
-Peugeot 905B Evo 1 Bis LM '92
-Suzuki V6 ESCUDO Pikes Peak Special '98
-Toyota 7 '70
-Toyota GT-One (TS020) '99
-Nissan R390 GT1 '98
-Nissan R89C '89
-Nissan R92CP '92
-Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93
-Audi Auto Union V16 Type C Streamline '37
-Audi R8 Race Car '01
-BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97
-BMW V12 LMR '99
-BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
-Chaparral 2D '67
-Chaparral 2J '70
-Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63

 

[SimTourist]

If standard cars were abolished then a lot of people would be complaining that there isnt enough cars compared to previous GT games. Similar to what happened with Forza 5 where they dropped a lot of cars because they werent good enough quality for the Xbox one. I will be ok with Standard cars once they cull all the duplicates.

Did people complain when that happened to GT3? No, it ended up being the highest rated and arguably loved game in the franchise.

 

[steve30x]

Did people complain when that happened to GT3? No, it ended up being the highest rated and arguably loved game in the franchise.

I can Guarantee it would happen with GT7.

 

[Samus]

Kaz doesn't want to lose the Standards because by doing that we'd also lose a LOT of great, rare racecars and prototypes which would be near impossible to update. Those cars catalogue racing history, in many respects, and Kaz loves that. I think it is definitely unique and kind of makes GT special in that regard compared to other games. For this reason I think we will see the return of the Museum cards with a new console which could support it. The 90s DTM and most of the LMP cars would be gone from the game. For better or worse, the rare Standards are here to stay.

Impossible to update? I don't buy it. They may not be able to get to a physical model but if they had enough reference images and videos to model it ten or fifteen years ago there will still be enough today.

I can Guarantee it would happen with GT7.

Interesting story, future boy.

 

[steve30x]

Interesting story, future boy.

I have a crystal ball. Do you want to borrow it?

 

[MasamuneDate]

On the same gen they were bigger in quantity, FM4 has 671 full modelled cars with interiors for example. GT6 is approaching 400.

Also, T10 are getting more and more cars modeled in next-gen standards, and by the looks of it, they'll have a lot for Forza 6 at launch. All their tracks are modeled specifically for next-gen (their recent announcement of the Nordschleife being the best example) and all of the features they already got right such as the livery editor and the custom parts will also count heavily in their favor against the competition. I feel GT is sinking more and more down the hole they dig themselves, which saddens me.

 

[Samus]

I have a crystal ball. Do you want to borrow it?

Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 2018?

 

[synon]

PD can't do everything themselves, isn't that the whole point? If PD were big enough to do everything themselves we wouldn't have this standard debate. T10 outsource so that they can get a bigger and better game, all to the same quality. That's why T10 are able to produce 100 cars or more a year and PD can't.

But some people were complaining about the lack of content in Forza 5, so apparently outsourcing doesn't provide that much of a help.

 

[steve30x]

Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 2018?

Michael jackson

 

[SimTourist]

I can Guarantee it would happen with GT7.

People need to move on, ps2 assets on a ps4 is no go. Update the standards to premium over the course of this gen, but don't put lowres cars in the game just to have a nice selling point on the back of the box.

 

[Samus]

Michael jackson

Michael Jackson? The singer? Then who's vice president, Stevie Wonder?

 

[steve30x]

Michael Jackson? The singer? Then who's vice president, Stevie Wonder?

Mary J Blige

 

[Samus]

Mary J Blige

I've had enough practical jokes for one evening. Good night, future boy!

 

[Whitestar]

I have a sort of a "whatever" attitude on this, since I always race in bumper view. I've seen some pretty bad screenshots but can't remember having noticed any such horrible cars in a race situation. As long as the physics will be updated for the standards then I'm ok with it (and as long as the standards are updated visually enough so that they don't stand out too much).

That said, I can understand complaints from those who use the interior view, because that doesn't look very immersive.

But this won't be a decisive factor in my decision to buy GT7 or not. I will have to buy a PS4 to play GT7, so for me things like proper T500 compatibility and FFB will play a big part in that decision. Not to mention some decent racing content, like a good career mode and perhaps an event editor! Oh and AI.

Meanwhile AC is looking better and better, with AI the way it *should* be, better sounds and new licenses on the way, mod tracks popping up everywhere, exceptional ffb and physics, the list goes on.