Kim Jong Il is dead

[SuperShouden]

Uhhhh... The Dominican Republic isn't communist.

I meant Laos..sorry

Castro is dead?

Well that is something I overlooked completely.


But nah, the economical interchange between the Chinese and NK is quite strong, that is the main reason of why NK is still and will probably be a communist country, I'm not sure why people assume that his dead ends the communist regime because it doesn't, is just like in cuba where Raul Castro succeeded the exact same politic, they have their own protocols for these situations.

I don't think anyone knows if Castro is dead, alive, or even still the Cuban dictator.

You're right, Castro isn't dead, he just stepped down and handed leadership of the country to his younger, maybe slightly healthier brother. My question is: If you step down from leadership, why would to hand it off to an old guy? The chances of him ruling for very long aren't great. Next thing you know Castro AND his brother and gonna be dead from heart attacks or something. We know Castro isn't well enough to rule the country...But...this is why the US has a military base on Cuba.



As for NK, I think having a much younger dictator ruling could easily work in our favor. Perhaps we could partner with Japan and give him some PS3's and Xbox's and all the games he wants if he steps down or something. Young people aren't too bright. Although...Kim did almost get himself blown up by Japan...who was originally perfectly okay with him testing nukes...until he shot one over Japan. And he lost China's support...essentially, isolating NK and making it so that if he started a war, NK would lose really fast.

 

[Alex p.]

Edit: Imagine if we lived in a world like North Korea but not even know it, just thinking about it gets me confused. I know we don't, but if we were raised believing our society is correct but in reality it's really damn wrong, how would we face the rest of the world with our previous beliefs?

Oh God how much I enjoyed this post!

Good news my friend, we ARE living in such a world! Ok, certainly not North Korea like, but in all honesty and actuallity, the world has gone completly mad and psychopath, everywhere.

 

[TankAss95]

Have you guys saw some of the people mourning over there? I saw footage on the news, it's crazy.

 

[Pupik]

Here comes the new boss...
...same as the old boss.

2011: A bad year for assholes.

 

[TankAss95]

2011: A bad year for assholes.

👍
I don't know how any sane dictator can spend millions on the military while hundreds of thousands of his people are starving to death. It's such a shame.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Edit: Wikipedia told me Kim Jong-Il is born in the Sovjet Union.

It's better than the official North Korean version, which claims he was born on the slopes of the country's holiest mountain after his birth was prophesised by a swallow, and it was marked by the appearance of a double rainbow and a new star appearing in the night sky.

 

[nk4e]

That documentary is shocking..

On December 17, 2011, Kim Jong-il died. Despite the elder Kim's plans, it was not immediately clear after his death whether Jong-un would in fact take full power, and what his exact role in a new government would be.[53] Some analysts believe that following Kim Jong-il's death, Jong-un's uncle Chang Sung-taek will act as regent, as Jong-un is too inexperienced to immediately lead the country.[54]

 

[Sureboss]

prisonermonkeys seems to be the only person in this thread with a grasp on the realities of North Korea.


To clear some things up:

"Kim Jong-Il and the Kim family are crazy" - Far from it, Jong-Il is reported to be quite intelligent and cunning, and not to be underestimated. If you were essentially the king of the largest prison camp in the world and had no way of gracefully exiting that situation, what would you do to keep your power? Their small military shows of powers over the years are JUST AS MUCH intended to be propaganda for the population (so they're always ready for war) as they are meant to be a deterrent for any military action from the West. They are not a real threat to anyone except South Korea and possibly Japan.

That's okay then, only 180 million at risk and a massive part of the global economic infrastructure!

"We should sneak special forces into NK" - WTF for? To start an international crisis? ANY violence or violation of their borders will simply reinforce everything that the citizens are taught from birth. The best thing that can possibly be done is to expose the population to the realities of the outside world, which is currently hidden from them. This has to be a natural process and is not something the West can force.

I see a problem with that, I believe if you tried to expose their population to the outside world (by you I mean the western world) they'd view that as an act of war. You're right though, there won't be any intervening action only retaliation in response to an attack on South Korea. I think you'd also find that there will be special forces in NK and have been for ages and they're being watched through other means too.

Personally, I don't think Jong-Un is capable of heading the country, not that Jong-Il was either for that matter... I think that publicly they will show Jong-Un as successor so they can project the image of stability and strength but in reality I believe there will be a power struggle between military heads and the Kim family.

Who knows what will happen, we know nothing about Jong-Un or his actual power in this role. We can all hope they'll become more welcoming to other nations and stop hiding the mass poverty that they're so ashamed of, I don't think it'll happen.

I think most of peoples comments are in relation to what the general public know about North Korea, the reality of which is not very much. Not to mention that Jong-Il become some sort of comic book dictator, many laugh at his actions, the stories behind the man forced on to the North Korean public (something like he's supposed to have written hundreds of books every day?), for some it'll be hard to put that comical aspect aside and realise the rampant poverty and their very dangerous path to nuclear weapons, the latter which will really decide the future of their country, one way or another.

It's a very serious time, not just for NK but for all of Asia and indeed the world, but people are so ronry...

 

[DK]

It's better than the official North Korean version, which claims he was born on the slopes of the country's holiest mountain after his birth was prophesised by a swallow, and it was marked by the appearance of a double rainbow and a new star appearing in the night sky.

Was it recorded by a stoner?

 

[Bram Turismo]

That doesn't mean much - Switzerland were also neutral towards Nazi Germany. Western education doesn't automatically mean western ideals will be adopted.

I know, but neither does that mean Jong-Un would have an even more extreme vision as some of the posts make it appear in the thread.

 

[Jahgee]

]I guess you can say he's now...

*puts on sunglasses*

Kim Jong KILLED.

YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

[slowman]

That's okay then, only 180 million at risk and a massive part of the global economic infrastructure!

Well, I didn't mean it that way; ideally they'd be a threat to no one. I don't think they will actively attack anyone. If they can't even provide oil, electricity, and food to their own people then they certainly can't sustain a war for any extended period of time.

I see a problem with that, I believe if you tried to expose their population to the outside world (by you I mean the western world) they'd view that as an act of war. You're right though, there won't be any intervening action only retaliation in response to an attack on South Korea. I think you'd also find that there will be special forces in NK and have been for ages and they're being watched through other means too.

I don't know about this. I have doubts that there are outsiders on the inside. No doubt though that there are insiders on the inside. The border with China is quite porous; border guards can be and have been paid off to allow visits (and escapes) to China. People, information, cell phones, illicit drugs, televisions, radios, vehicles, farming implements, counterfeit currencies, and all manner of contraband regularly pass back and forth on the Chinese border.

Who knows what will happen, we know nothing about Jong-Un or his actual power in this role. We can all hope they'll become more welcoming to other nations and stop hiding the mass poverty that they're so ashamed of, I don't think it'll happen.

This natural process of opening to the outside has already begun happening. Jong-Il in his later years had also come to realize that they can't carry on being "The Hermit Kingdom". People from communist countries have been visiting for decades. Even Americans and Japanese have been cleared for tours within the last decade and these tours are still ongoing. I've given it consideration if only to see firsthand the last old-style communist dictatorship in the world.

I think most of peoples comments are in relation to what the general public know about North Korea, the reality of which is not very much. Not to mention that Jong-Il become some sort of comic book dictator, many laugh at his actions, the stories behind the man forced on to the North Korean public (something like he's supposed to have written hundreds of books every day?), for some it'll be hard to put that comical aspect aside and realise the rampant poverty and their very dangerous path to nuclear weapons, the latter which will really decide the future of their country, one way or another.

It's a very serious time, not just for NK but for all of Asia and indeed the world, but people are so ronry...

All these insane stories you hear about him were never meant for Western consumption. Most of these are stories from KCNA, the state media outlet. They sound utterly ridiculous to us but they serve to reinforce the demigod status of the "Great Leader".

I wonder if he joins his father lying in state (oddly, embalmed and fully viewable in a glass coffin) at the Kumsusan Memorial Palace...

http://freekorea.us/ for anyone else who is an avid NK watcher.

Also, don't miss the excellent Vice Guide to North Korea which shows you the gist of one of these tours.

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3
http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-2-of-3
http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-3-of-3

 

[Nicksfix]

Good riddance to trash !
Now, the U.N. should get together, make one phone call to N. Korea to Mr. Jong and explain something :

"Look here 🤬🤬, don't think that your stepping up into power over there with a chip on your shoulder and think that your going to pull the same 🤬 that your father did. You get once chance, don't blow it sporto,or we're coming ".

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Now, the U.N. should get together, make one phone call to N. Korea to Mr. Jong and explain something :

"Look here 🤬🤬, don't think that your stepping up into power over there with a chip on your shoulder and think that your going to pull the same 🤬 that your father did. You get once chance, don't blow it sporto,or we're coming ".

Congratulations: you probably just started World War III. Any sign of aggression - and it doesn't have to be intended as such, merely interpreted - towards North Korea now that Kim Jong-Il is dead will only reaffirm his belief that the west is corrupt and evil. If you don't provoke them into open warfare, you will no doubt push them deeper into the rabbit hole than they have ever been before.

 

[a6m5]

I don't know about pushing North Korea, but China, Japan, South Korea & United States should do everything in their power to ultimately open up North Korea, or reunify with South Korea.

Circus has gone on long enough. Victims, many of them already dead, they are real people. They are suffering as we speak. Sure, everything should be resolved peacefully. I just hope Kim Jong Un is smarter than his old man, and he actually has a heart.

 

[Sach]

Good riddance to trash !
Now, the U.N. should get together, make one phone call to N. Korea to Mr. Jong and explain something :

"Look here 🤬🤬, don't think that your stepping up into power over there with a chip on your shoulder and think that your going to pull the same 🤬 that your father did. You get once chance, don't blow it sporto,or we're coming ".

Please don't try to represent America with comments like this. Your statement is utter hogwash, imo.

 

[a6m5]

I think you guys are taking his post little too literally. He was probably just ranting. Kim Jong's brings that out in many of us.

 

[Nicksfix]

I think you guys are taking his post little too literally. He was probably just ranting. Kim Jong's brings that out in many of us.

It was a bit of a rant, thank you. I have my reasons. My father (RIP) Korean War Vet and decorated soldier served smack dab on the 38th parallel as a tank commander. You would be surprised as to the stories he and his friends have told about N.Korea, it's sickening, to say the least. Not a whole lot has changed since then. Their hatred to the West (U.S.) has not changed.

Why should we just sit back and watch a country (who is so full of political correctness, their past dictates this) continue into this madness ? I sincerely hope that Jong's son does have a head on his shoulder and takes some time to reminisce about this country's past history.

 

[Sach]

It was a bit of a rant, thank you. I have my reasons. My father (RIP) Korean War Vet and decorated soldier served smack dab on the 38th parallel as a tank commander. You would be surprised as to the stories he and his friends have told about N.Korea, it's sickening, to say the least. Not a whole lot has changed since then. Their hatred to the West (U.S.) has not changed.

I can respect your father's service greatly, as I also have family members and friends who have served and I have experience with their sacrifices. However, there are equally sickening things wrong with the American society, not the least of which include hatred for other countries that 'we' deem to be 'bad' or 'evil'.

Why should we just sit back and watch a country (who is so full of political correctness, their past dictates this) continue into this madness ? I sincerely hope that Jong's son does have a head on his shoulder and takes some time to reminisce about this country's past history.

There are many reasons not to just go in and slaughter other human beings, because in order to remove him from power (if that is in fact what you want), that would surely happen.

 

[rocko100]

(retard) Hows this going to affect 30 Rock! /retard

Im not sure to be happy or sad, a countries terrible ruler died yet the successor is most likely just as much of a 🤬

 

[gogatrs]

hehe, Kim's a girls name.

Oh yea, GO AMERICUH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[a6m5]

However, there are equally sickening things wrong with the American society, not the least of which include hatred for other countries that 'we' deem to be 'bad' or 'evil'.

I do understand where you are coming from. For me, America's worst evil was slavery & the treatment of Native Americans. But that's a stuff for history books.

Just about every nation has lied, stolen, or killed in the past for political reasons, or profit. We are only human, and IMO, you can't do nothing about that.

The part I can't see eye-to-eye with your comment is "equally". Say you pulled Occupy Pyongyang Movement. Not only will they imprison you, good chance they'll torture you until you finally drop dead. And at least in the past, they'd have imprisoned your kids & grandkids, because that's what they did to political prisoners. I don't think anybody knows for sure if they still practice this, because everything is top secret to them. And no, this hypothetical Occupy Movement will never take place, because anybody with enough guts to stand up has all been tortured to death, or eternally imprisoned and are far too weak to put up anymore fight.

As far as I'm concerned, North Korean Government is pure evil, and enemy of humanity. I hope they can be dissolved peacefully, then reunite with the South. Should there be an intervention? None of us are Korean. I think, way I see it, this is a call the Korean people has to make.

 

[RTSolvalou]

What's Kim Jogn-un like? Is he likely to make things worse? I hope he's not... ill mannered.

 

[Schwartz]

What's Kim Jogn-un like? Is he likely to make things worse? I hope he's not... ill mannered.

hes 27 years old, a fatass, and just as insane as his father.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

'Lil Kim, Kim Jong-il and the inevitable confusion after a prominent figure's death.

 

[mattythedog]

Of course. It's easy to confuse a rapper that I haven't heard of with a leader of a country apparently stockpiling nuclear weapons and cutting his country off from the world. They're very similar.

 

[Schwartz]

'Lil Kim, Kim Jong-il and the inevitable confusion after a prominent figure's death.

This isn't :censored:ing news. What the 🤬 has this world come to?

 

[terminator363]

Let's send in Airwolf!

 

[nk4e]

Let's send in Airwolf!

I am sure that the entire nation will go to war with the West for that one.

 

[Submerged]

I do understand where you are coming from. For me, America's worst evil was slavery & the treatment of Native Americans. But that's a stuff for history books.

Good bit about saying that every nation has lied/stolen/killed for power or profit. But saying that the worst of the American evil was "stuff for the history book" isn't quite true. There are still things that are wrong with America (as many people have already pointed out) that other people could see as "evil". Iraq War (which many people in the world seem to be totally against in the first place). War on Terror. To some countries, these would be far more relevant to America's perceived evilness, the oppression of another country due to an invasive force for the belief of a "greater good" (getting rid of terrorist).

It is all in the perception of the viewer who decide whether a country is deemed evil or not. a6m5 states that he believes North Korea to be evil. But as others have said (prisonermonkey stated this I believe) the North Korean population don't believe their country to be oppressive. They believe that the "West" is oppressive and "evil" simply because their leader says so (if I have read it correctly).

There is also Russia, who still is a country that clings to some form of military heavy-handness over democracy and supposed "freedom" of the public. There's Cuba, presumably still not really a democracy. Sometimes, some countries may need a leader who will have all the power to create opportunites for the country to possible progress in one direction that will lead toward (eventually) a time when the country will have political competition.

But because no-one actually knows what is going on inside North Korea, it means that anything or nothing could be happening. There might be a public uprising. The military might be taking over the country. Or status quo might be the same. Or there might be more economic opportunities available for businesses. No one knows. And many people seems to be stating opinions, rather than facts.... which isn't ideal.

The above isn't really well planned out and I'm sure I will get ripped into shreds, but I was quite a bit surprised at the huge amount of opinion and one-sided statements that didn't seem to be backed up by facts. Sometimes things are more complicated than they seem.