POLL: Happy or unhappy with Standard cars?

[STJ88]

I think there is. In all honesty this is why I love GT.

Same here, it makes the game more realistic.

 

[Nielsen]

To be honest, I'm very unhappy.

 

[Samus]

Same here, it makes the game more realistic.

It might do if the EU/US/JP cars were actually different as they are in reality but they're not, they're literally the exact same car models with a different name.

 

[TokoTurismo]

It might do if the EU/US/JP cars were actually different as they are in reality but they're not, they're literally the exact same car models with a different name.

Simo--- I mean Samus you changed your name!?

 

[occasionalracer]

To be honest, I'm very unhappy.

Well at least you're honest.

 

[analog]

Separating them was infuriating. To an insane degree. It added a useless step to finding a car and made keeping track of things more difficult. My garage needs a master list and any sublists that I define. Not an arbitrary partition.

Well it wasn't an arbitrary partition as it was objectively quantifiable and in my opinion for good reason as well.
I can see it being a minor inconvenience though to find a car (although I can always quickly find a particular Standard car if I wanted) and seeing it from your perspective having sublists in place is perhap a bit more than that but you can't imagine the infuriation that'll undoubtedly ensue if it isn't when you have slight but controllable OCD tendencies like me.
Ofcourse more options would serve us all.

 

[1241Penguin]

I personally don't care. While many of the cars I like are in Standard form, many more are Premiums. That said, it would be nice if PD forgot about Standards. Having them in GT7 is a huge no-no.

 

[sonic378]

If the standards look very similar to premiums externally that'd be enough for me. Even though I don't need. Don't notice the differences.

 

[shadynader]

It might do if the EU/US/JP cars were actually different as they are in reality but they're not, they're literally the exact same car models with a different name.

I don't want to drive a Miata or Eunos, I want to drive an MX-5. I'm sure people in other territories want to drive a Miata or Eunos and not an MX-5.

 

[HKS racer]

I don't want to drive a Miata or Eunos, I want to drive an MX-5. I'm sure people in other territories want to drive a Miata or Eunos and not an MX-5.

And you are wrong. I don't care if in Europe it's called MX-5 and in US is called Miata it's still the very same. Less dupes please.
A useful feature would be "Turn this car off?" Yes/No. If I just don't want some cars I can just turn them off from the game.

*Remove all the Nissan GT-R*

 

[shadynader]

And you are wrong. I don't care if in Europe it's called MX-5 and in US is called Miata it's still the very same. Less dupes please.
A useful feature would be "Turn this car off?" Yes/No. If I just don't want some cars I can just turn them off from the game.

*Remove all the Nissan GT-R*

Oh! that's cleared that up then!! Thanks for speaking for the 10 million other players of the game.

Edit:

I don't want to drive a Miata or Eunos, I want to drive an MX-5. I'm sure there are other people in other territories want to drive a Miata or Eunos and not an MX-5.

Cleared up for the pedantics amongst us..

 

[counter345]

I prefer to have hundreds of standard cars (some including great to drive cars) than just have them wiped from the game indefinitely.

 

[Bobby-Vegas]

No.

 

[Tornado]

I think there is.

In GT2 and GT1 there was.

 

[Tenacious D]

I personally don't care. While many of the cars I like are in Standard form, many more are Premiums. That said, it would be nice if PD forgot about Standards. Having them in GT7 is a huge no-no.

After witnessing the physics of the cars in the GT6 videos I've seen, I don't want PD to "forget" a single car in GT7. The thought of giving up all but a handful of dinkmobiles makes me sad. I want to experience them all over again, dinkmobiles too, with an even more polished physics engine running on eight full blown processor cores and with as much ram as they need for physics code, bot A.I. code, lighting and shader algorithms, sound... you name it.

I want a thousand-plus cars again in GT7.

 

[Nissan Cima]

I'm not happy about the inclusion of standard cars at all... they really need to get rid of them for whatever Gran Turismo game will be released on the PS4. Either upgrade all them to premium quality (which more than likely won't happen), upgrade the worthwhile standard cars to premium quality while cutting all of the pointless duplicates, or get rid of them entirely and have just have a car list of 400-600 cars that all look like they belong. I just want a game with overall even quality. No cars or tracks with PS2-esque graphics that were clearly lifted directly from previous games. If any other racing game did this it wouldn't be tolerated at all...

 

[lebes14]

Or think of the handful of interesting extra Premium cars we perhaps could've had if they didn't spend the time and resources updating and adding aero parts to Standard cars since it seems they actually did try to improve them (or some at least) this time around.
I'd happily trade all 800 Standard cars for 5 extra Premium ones or (considering they in hindsight were gonna be added for the simple reason GT5 included 1000 cars on the same console) kept them exactly as they were in GT5 with 5 or less extra Premium cars.

Besides this not being about the sort of cars which are Standard (as unfortunately a lot of great cars are indeed Standard) but about the things they're lacking (cockpit view) making them automatically not the content everyone will appreciate or use (nevermind the graphical aspect and inconsistency).
You can say that in essence it's the same as certain types of cars not being everyone's cup of tea but that's a subjective criteria, not a limitation in gameplay aspects.

What I don't really get is the outcry of removing 800 Standard cars for 2 reasons, one is that there aren't really 800 distinct cars to replace or remove but most importantly, and let's be honest here, if they had the same amount of Premium cars available for GT5 they'd not even be considered for inclusion and the only way you'd be able to drive certain cars would be by playing GT4.

So thankfully GT6 now includes the amount of Premium cars GT5 should've had (so giving me enough cars to enjoy) and still includes the stopgap solution to mask it for marketing reasons (less cars on a successor on the same console is a risk they probably couldn't take).
I'd happily be able to ignore them (although I did enjoy the opentop ones after they received something resembling cockpit view) but I'm afraid the separation that made that possible in GT5 (different garage section/ways to buy them) has been removed under the false pretense the difference doesn't exist anymore.

If that's kept in place (even if it's optional this time), I don't really mind they're added again for those who enjoy them, but keep in mind they won't be around forever (that includes the sort of cars in some cases) as GT7 might include less cars but all Premium quality and suited for each viewpoint preference, how dare they!

+1. I've always treated gt5 as if it had 200 cars, I would get pretty unhappy when one of the standards would race in front of me, it ruined the experience. Glad the eyesores will be less of an eyesore. I really wish they would just do away with the standard cars.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

I am not happy standards are still in GT6. Still feels like an unfinished game to me and PD is constantly playing catch up to get these cars finished. Some still wont have interiors so that's quite disappointing so I am guessing they might upgrade these later after GT6 launches.
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I just dont get this.Someone else said something similar.That if GT5 or gt6 actually removed the standard cars leaving the premiums we have,it would be a more complete game.Like ive never seen a feature make a game, less of a game.It doesnt make sense to me. But I guess more people see it like that than I thought.I guess I always thought when people said GT5 was incomplete, they meant PD didnt have enough time to make all of the cars premium, now I know it has more than one meaning.

 

[lebes14]

I just dont get this.Someone else said something similar.That if GT5 or gt6 actually removed the standard cars leaving the premiums we have,it would be a more complete game.Like ive never seen a feature make a game, less of a game.It doesnt make sense to me. But I guess more people see it like that than I thought.I guess I always thought when people said GT5 was incomplete, they meant PD didnt have enough time to make all of the cars premium, now I know it has more than one meaning.

It would make it more complete in the sense that game would look and feel more polished. As it is the game feels very inconsistent, which makes it feel incomplete.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I just dont get this.Someone else said something similar.That if GT5 or gt6 actually removed the standard cars leaving the premiums we have,it would be a more complete game.Like ive never seen a feature make a game, less of a game.It doesnt make sense to me. But I guess more people see it like that than I thought.I guess I always thought when people said GT5 was incomplete, they meant PD didnt have enough time to make all of the cars premium, now I know it has more than one meaning.

The poll here indicates that more than 60% of GTP'ers either don't care or ar happy about standards, and I'd hazard to guess that this sample is more biased against standards than the general GT5 audience, but it's just a guess.

 

[Exorcet]

It would make it more complete in the sense that game would look and feel more polished. As it is the game feels very inconsistent, which makes it feel incomplete.

I don't really see any polish at all from removing the standards, just less cars. A lot less. Granted I understand the dislike but I don't get how, for instance, seeing one of these cars in a race is bad. I can't even tell the difference then. I can barely tell the difference when driving unless I use cockpit.

 

[HarVee]

No I'm not really happy about them being in GT6, Toko. However, I after seeing and using them in GT5 for so long, I'm starting to tolerate them.

 

[1241Penguin]

I don't really see any polish at all from removing the standards, just less cars. A lot less. Granted I understand the dislike but I don't get how, for instance, seeing one of these cars in a race is bad. I can't even tell the difference then. I can barely tell the difference when driving unless I use cockpit.

It's simply a case of consistency. For example, in any other GT game, you wouldn't need two garages to hold your cars, just one.

Plus, there's something wonky about the way they drive.

 

[IceMan PJN]

With so few specifics known of GT6 as of yet, I can't very well speak on GT6's sub-Standard situation, so I will just address how I felt about it in GT5.

One criticism of the sub-Standards was that they artificially pad the game's car list. You have the game's main rival retailing with 400+ cars (FM3) and 500+ (FM4) right out of the box without counting subsequent DLC, and then boast "Yeah, but GT5 has over double that." However, 800 of GT5's cars weren't current-gen models but rather recycled last-gen crap. If you only counted the cars built for GT5, it only had 220 or so, which is half of Forza. The sub-Standards are cheap filler.

Secondly, fanboys argued how pretty GT5 was, and indeed the new content was. The problem is that most of the cars and many tracks looked relatively crappy, compared to other current-gen games, and some weren't even adequate for PS2. They count as part of the game, too, and dragged down the overall quality of the game's aesthetics.

Finally, there was the lack of cockpits, which isn't satisfactory in modern racing gaming. It was my understanding that the sub-Standards will be touched up for GT6, so hopefully this part at least will no longer be an issue for GT6.

Putting sub-Standards in GT5 was sort of like taking a dump on a plate next to a nice steak. Even if you tried to avoid eating the duce, it was still there dragging down your overall dining experience. You couldn't help but getting at least some of it on your fork, either, no matter how hard you tried. The steak was nice, but the steamy log sort of ruined it a bit.

 

[eran0004]

They really just need to optimize the textures on the standard cars, and then the lack of poly's will be mostly hidden. Some WILL need a few more polygons, though, but only about a maximum of 50 or so.

Agree, it's more often than not the textures that makes them look outdated. The meshes are perfectly alright for this console generation.

Putting sub-Standards in GT5 was sort of like taking a dump on a plate next to a nice steak. Even if you tried to avoid eating the duce, it was still there dragging down your overall dining experience. You couldn't help but getting at least some of it on your fork, either, no matter how hard you tried. The steak was nice, but the steamy log sort of ruined it a bit.

Well, in my opinion they may look like crap, but they taste just like the steak.

 

[Punknoodle]

Putting sub-Standards in GT5 was sort of like taking a dump on a plate next to a nice steak. Even if you tried to avoid eating the duce, it was still there dragging down your overall dining experience. You couldn't help but getting at least some of it on your fork, either, no matter how hard you tried. The steak was nice, but the steamy log sort of ruined it a bit.

Lol! This made me chuckle

 

[andrewyhy]

To be honest, I was not happy with the standard cars in GT5.
Only the newer models - like the R8 LMS, Veyron etc. - are acceptable. Also, they are less customizable and more restricted than the premium models.. they can't be brought to photo travel got me mad.

Hopefully this time they will look better in GT6.

Oh, please get rid of those redundant cars, there's no point to have the exact same car from JP, US and EU.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Not bothered much by the standards, once the adrenaline gets going I have no time to admire the leather,
simple cockpit view has what I care about; tach & speedometer.

They may have found a way to make the standards look better with the new lighting model. Time will tell.

 

[Samus]

I don't want to drive a Miata or Eunos, I want to drive an MX-5. I'm sure people in other territories want to drive a Miata or Eunos and not an MX-5.

I doubt it. It's not like you see the name of the car on the track, if you drive a Miata then an MX-5 you can't tell the difference. The only difference is the name in the garage.

 

[dr_slump]

I doubt it. It's not like you see the name of the car on the track, if you drive a Miata then an MX-5 you can't tell the difference. The only difference is the name in the garage.

Right and left wheeler?