Presidential Election: 2012

[sumbrownkid]

Maybe the Debbie Downers should smoke some weed.

Them, and the Romney supporters.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

I didn't care for either candidate. That being said, the amount of facebook status rants is too damn high.

 

[Signal52]

Sandy affected the polls, because of Federal aid and responsiveness.

How? Genuine question. People were pleased with the response, so they supported the president for it? I've been hearing that this hurricane was/did influence the polls, and I've thought the whole time that a storm affecting people's vote seemed a little strange.

 

[Tornado]

Obama went to the trenches and made his presence known for disaster relief, and Romney went into hiding when his FEMA comments started making the rounds in response.

 

[Adamgp]

Stock market tanks the day after Obama re-election:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2012/11/07/wall-street-election-react/1687277/

 

[Joey D]

The stock market tanking has more to do with Europe, Germany in particular, than it does with the election

 

[Omnis]

It's because the campaign season ended, taking billions out of the economy.

 

[Skuh]

The stock market tanking has more to do with Europe, Germany in particular, than it does with the election

According to the US financial experts that are on the radio. It is because Obama's deficit plan involves tax rises.

 

[Dennisch]

The Dutch tv had an interesting point.

Unless the Republicans get more minority votes, the US could remain blue for a long time to come. Seeing that the future of America isn't white but colorful, and changing quickly.

 

[Joey D]

According to the US financial experts that are on the radio. It is because Obama's deficit plan involves tax rises.

That's not what MSNBC and CNN are saying. Obama being elected plays some part in it, but Europe is playing a much bigger role.

 

[Skuh]

That's not what MSNBC and CNN are saying. Obama being elected plays some part in it, but Europe is playing a much bigger role.

Like what? What has happened in the last 24 hours. There is stuff going on later about the greeks and theryre bailout that will have an affect, but that hasn't happened yet.I don't see what has happened in Europe to have this effect. Obama getting elected means there is now a definitive version of the deficit plan, this would have an affect.

 

[Joey D]

Like what? What has happened in the last 24 hours. There is stuff going on later about the greeks and theryre bailout that will have an affect, but that hasn't happened yet.I don't see what has happened in Europe to have this effect. Obama getting elected means there is now a definitive version of the deficit plan, this would have an affect.

Mario Draghi said Germany's economy is slowing down, which is something that really hasn't been brought to light until today. He's basically saying Europe is moving toward a position for an economic collapse.

Obama being elected has beating on the market, but in no way is he the sole reason the market is tanking today. Europe's economic crisis has way more pull on the economy than the president.

 

[Tenacious D]

That's not what MSNBC and CNN are saying. Obama being elected plays some part in it, but Europe is playing a much bigger role.

Well that's your problem, listening to the BIGGEST Obama campaign wing in the mainstream media. DO tell me how much negative press Obama got from them. How much they reported his TWO credit downgrades, Fast-N-Furious debacle with hundreds of dead Mehicans from our guns basically shipped to drug cartels essentially from the Justice Dept. The Benghazi fiasco, in which they essentially watched the whole thing play out in real time video and in communique's from those being shot at. And if BO wasn't there in the situation room with everyone else, did they ask WHY? Hell, even State Dept admitted they had a running real time stream of info while the terrorist assault was going on.

Did they mention Obama saying, and I quote, "Vote for revenge"?

I sincerely doubt it. And I watched some CNN to my disgust, and the reporting was shoddy. But we did hear Mz Crowley ask if the Tea Party was racist. And conservatives and Christians were routinely spoken of in an inflammatory, derogatory way on MSDNC.

Some people need a serious clue. The Stock Market fell PARTLY because of Europe, yes. Because they were hoping someone would be elected who knew how to work out a freaking BUDGET! Who knew what an economy WAS and how it WORKED! NOT someone who overspent ONE TRILLION DOLLARS we don't HAVE to essentially do NOTHING. Good grief, if you spend an average of TWO TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on a country like America, unless your policies are dirt stupid, it should have SOME positive effect!

Not just that, the price of gold is a huge vote of confidence - or lack thereof - in an administration. Price it lately?

And those saying there is essentially no difference between Republicans and democrats hasn't cracked an unbiased book or watched C-SPAN for more than five minutes. And I say this as a devout indie voter.

One more thing. You Ron Paul libertarians scare me. He's a nice Congressguy. Fiscal hawk to an extent. His pork barrels are affordable, I have no problem with him or Rand, think they're awesome. BUT, his extreme isolationism is just frightening. "Who cares if Iran has nukes? WE do!" ZOMG. Too many of you libertarians aren't thinking through the consequences of your ideology.

Good Lord, I need off this planet...

 

[Skuh]

Mario Draghi said Germany's economy is slowing down, which is something that really hasn't been brought to light until today. He's basically saying Europe is moving toward a position for an economic collapse.

Obama being elected has beating on the market, but in no way is he the sole reason the market is tanking today. Europe's economic crisis has way more pull on the economy than the president.

This is one view but by no mean the consensus. This is also not news to traders. This has not caused the tank today. There has been no revelations about the German Economy today/yesterday apart from a slow down in the economy which like I said, isnt out of the blue and the markets were expecting it. The only really significant news on the global financial market is the Obama deficit plan. At least that has had an effect in the last 24 hours.

 

[FoolKiller]

I like how that South Park episode from 2008 is relevant again.

I want a hippity hop.

Also, I know it's not about the presidency, but MN voted down the Voter ID amendment.👍

Maybe it's just because of my local laws, but I never got the big issue with requiring an ID. We have always had to show an ID if the guy at the table doesn't recognize you. There is a sign as you walk in that says "ID may be required."

Add to that, I can barely do anything without ID. I get recurring bloodwork done at the hospital and need an ID and insurance card. Instead of signing my credit cards I put a note to check ID. I get my ID checked for alcohol 12 years after my 21st birthday. When in Tennessee even taste testing alcohol required an ID no matter how old you appeared. IDs these days are almost always required. I can't fly without one. Is that discrimination? Do we not want Democrats on airplanes?

I need to show my ID so often that my wallet has an exterior ID pocket with a clear window and the ability to slide it out one-handed.

I can see how a last minute requirement where one didn't exist previously can cause an issue that year. But to pass one now, a year or more from when you may need it, doesn't seem like a big deal compared to everything else I have to do.

I can think of issues for requiring an ID, but they apply in all situations and don't involve disenfranchising people. Can anyone explain how this disenfranchises someone but hasn't been a problem in Kentucky for longer than I've been allowed to vote?

 

[ExigeEvan]

Good Lord, I need off this planet...

This is one view but by no mean the consensus. This is also not news to traders. This has not caused the tank today. There has been no revelations about the German Economy today/yesterday. The only really significant news on the global financial market is the Obama deficit plan. At least that has had an effect in the last 24 hours.

Would you guys like some hot sauce with that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20242510

It now projects the bloc will narrowly avoid recession next year, growing by 0.1%, compared with its previous estimate of 1% growth, and thinks the EU economy will shrink this year.

Figures released earlier on Wednesday showing a 1.8% drop in manufacturing output in Germany in September, the biggest monthly fall since April, also weighed on markets.

As did concerns about the upcoming so-called fiscal cliff in the US, now that the US election has been won by Barack Obama.

"In this case there are several, starting with today's Greek parliamentary vote on austerity, not to mention concerns about how the newly elected president will deal with the US fiscal cliff concerns."

So yes, the US markets are currently (17:52 GMT) 0.2-0.3% worse off than European markets (down 1.6-2%), but it's clearly not all Obama, and considering the public issues US manufacturers like Ford are having in Europe it's clearly relevant what happens in Europe.

 

[Skuh]

Would you guys like some hot sauce with that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20242510






So yes, the US markets are currently (17:52 GMT) 0.2-0.3% worse off than European markets (down 1.6-2%), but it's clearly not all Obama, and considering the public issues US manufacturers like Ford are having in Europe it's clearly relevant what happens in Europe.

Nobody said europe wasn't relevent. What I said was the US news is what has had the most effect in the last 24 hours. I heard about these forecasts last week so don't see how America didn't or it's traders. However even yesterday, the US had no definitive economic plan for the deficit. Today it does. This carries more weight in the economic recovery of the US than the markets in Europe.
I myself mentioned the Greek baillout and also said this will have an efefct, but as stated. It hasn't happened yet.

Your data has not contradicted what I have said.

Pretty mild sauce that was.

 

[Northstar]

Maybe it's just because of my local laws, but I never got the big issue with requiring an ID. We have always had to show an ID if the guy at the table doesn't recognize you. There is a sign as you walk in that says "ID may be required."

I have no problem with the showing ID part, I'm just opposed to crap like that being written into the state constitution.

 

[Danoff]

Well that's your problem, listening to the BIGGEST Obama campaign wing in the mainstream media. DO tell me how much negative press Obama got from them. How much they reported his TWO credit downgrades, Fast-N-Furious debacle with hundreds of dead Mehicans from our guns basically shipped to drug cartels essentially from the Justice Dept. The Benghazi fiasco, in which they essentially watched the whole thing play out in real time video and in communique's from those being shot at. And if BO wasn't there in the situation room with everyone else, did they ask WHY? Hell, even State Dept admitted they had a running real time stream of info while the terrorist assault was going on.

Did they mention Obama saying, and I quote, "Vote for revenge"?

I sincerely doubt it. And I watched some CNN to my disgust, and the reporting was shoddy. But we did hear Mz Crowley ask if the Tea Party was racist. And conservatives and Christians were routinely spoken of in an inflammatory, derogatory way on MSDNC.

Some people need a serious clue. The Stock Market fell PARTLY because of Europe, yes. Because they were hoping someone would be elected who knew how to work out a freaking BUDGET! Who knew what an economy WAS and how it WORKED! NOT someone who overspent ONE TRILLION DOLLARS we don't HAVE to essentially do NOTHING. Good grief, if you spend an average of TWO TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on a country like America, unless your policies are dirt stupid, it should have SOME positive effect!

Not just that, the price of gold is a huge vote of confidence - or lack thereof - in an administration. Price it lately?

And those saying there is essentially no difference between Republicans and democrats hasn't cracked an unbiased book or watched C-SPAN for more than five minutes. And I say this as a devout indie voter.

One more thing. You Ron Paul libertarians scare me. He's a nice Congressguy. Fiscal hawk to an extent. His pork barrels are affordable, I have no problem with him or Rand, think they're awesome. BUT, his extreme isolationism is just frightening. "Who cares if Iran has nukes? WE do!" ZOMG. Too many of you libertarians aren't thinking through the consequences of your ideology.

Good Lord, I need off this planet...

Somebody is having a rough morning.

Look, Romney wasn't going to make good on his promises, and Obama isn't going to make good on his. So calm down. If you think for a second, one second, that McCain wouldn't have done exactly the same thing that Obama did (and Bush was doing) to our economy, you're living in dreamland. None of these guys know how to work a budget.

 

[Nessy]

Am i the only one who thinks that there's a market for these?

I imagine gun toting republicans will be snatching them up for target practice, him having failed them of-course.

 

[FoolKiller]

And those saying there is essentially no difference between Republicans and democrats hasn't cracked an unbiased book or watched C-SPAN for more than five minutes. And I say this as a devout indie voter.

They both want to grow the military industrial complex, they both want to regulate your private life, they both want to spend and spend and spend, and neither of them appear to care about liberty or know how to read the Constitution. In all honesty, have either party done anything other than infringe on the rights of citizens and increase spending?

Sure, the policies are different on a micro level, but in the end they are screwing us. Both parties just want big government and power. The argument is just on who is in charge.

One more thing. You Ron Paul libertarians scare me. He's a nice Congressguy. Fiscal hawk to an extent. His pork barrels are affordable, I have no problem with him or Rand, think they're awesome. BUT, his extreme isolationism is just frightening. "Who cares if Iran has nukes? WE do!" ZOMG. Too many of you libertarians aren't thinking through the consequences of your ideology.

I prefer dangerous freedom to secure slavery.

Honestly, I find that our leaders are in control of nukes just as scary.

And it is impossible to suggest fiscal responsibility while in two wars and planning a third.

 

[Pupik]

And it is impossible to suggest fiscal responsibility while in two wars and planning a third.

Here, here.

Never mind we're paying to repair the infrastructure we helped destroy, while ours is beginning to lag. That's what happens when you sign on to a war for "humanitarian purposes".

I'm not saying it's a war zone in America, but surely not jumping into that destructive, expensive, and pointless endeavor in the first place is both fiscally conservative and respects human life in one fell swoop, and helps balance the budget.

Oh, never mind. They're possibly terrorists.

I'm numb and powerless to this political BS anymore. But I did mange to vote for my local offices which matters more on a regional level.

 

[oopssorryy]

I prefer dangerous freedom to secure slavery.

Honestly, I find that our leaders are in control of nukes just as scary.

This, we have given up so many freedoms in the name of safety. Unless you want to live in a world such as A Brave New World or 1984, you would agree....

 

[Joel]

That's not what MSNBC and CNN are saying. Obama being elected plays some part in it, but Europe is playing a much bigger role.

As soon as I read this I knew this was coming .

Well that's your problem, listening to the BIGGEST Obama campaign wing in the mainstream media.

 

[Joey D]

Ya I think people read to much into the news sometimes. They were reporting a story and it's not like they completely ignored the election having an impact.

 

[Joel]

Ya I think people read to much into the news sometimes. They were reporting a story and it's not like they completely ignored the election having an impact.

That's what I mean, I understand that MSNBC leans left, and Fox to the right, but it's not as if the economic uncertainty in Europe was just made up out of thin air by the "Liberal Media" to protect Obama's image.

 

[Pako]

Am i the only one who thinks that there's a market for these?

I imagine gun toting republicans will be snatching them up for target practice, him having failed them of-course.

Um no, us gun toting republicans have plenty of other targets.

 

[Dennisch]

Um no, us gun toting republicans have plenty of other targets.

I'll bet you have shot a couple of old pc's to pieces.

 

[Pako]

I'll bet you have shot a couple of old pc's to pieces.

I've taken out a few tube TV's in my day....

 

[BJBEOSmitty]

Just goes to show that there's no real difference between the parties, if something like that can hold any sway.