The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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I also don't think Hamilton will be close in the hunt next year either. He went for the money, it's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Dude, he was hired by ROSS BRAWN! You know who he is? What he achieved? He chose Hamilton to fill the spot BECAUSE he is one of the 3 best of the best drivers in the F1 GRID! Mercedes just had to pay whatever hamilton managers asked.. Get over yourself. He has a massive ego because he can have! Period.

Yes, Ross Brawn, who currently is leading a team that seems to compete each race with random goals.

I seriously thought Mercedes would keep up the form of BrawnGP from 2009, but they have been nowhere in the last 3 years. Hamilton may be the one they needed to push their development further, but I don't think they'll win a championship in 2013. That is something that should be their goal in 2014.

And Hamilton should have a massive ego because he can? How so? Having won a single world championship doesn't mean everyone should go out of their way to please you. I just think Hamilton went for the money. Why leave a team such as McLaren?

Also, I don't see any reason why we should doubt Perez going to McLaren. I think he is by far the best possible choice for McLaren to fill in that seat. Perez could've won Malaysia this year, and he is a very fast driver in general with that Sauber. He has scored almost twice the amount of points Kobayahi has, and Kobayashi is a more experienced driver than Perez is. Perez being so easy on his tyres could suggest that he shares the same driving style as Button, which in return could mean McLaren designing a car for two drivers with the same driving style. I don't think that currently is the case at McLaren with Hamilton.
 
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Mclaren wanted Hamilton to stay with them, the rumor is that Mclaren was on the same or even higher money offer than Mercedes. I think Lewis wanted the n°1 status as well which he will have in Mercedes if I'm not mistaken. And I suppose Mclaren doesnt want that or maybe couldnt do it because of Button contract.

I dont think it's a money thing honestly.
 
Yes, Ross Brawn, who currently is leading a team that seems to compete each race with random goals.

I seriously thought Mercedes would keep up the form of BrawnGP from 2009, but they have been nowhere in the last 3 years. Hamilton may be the one they needed to push their development further, but I don't think they'll win a championship in 2013. That is something that should be their goal in 2014.

And Hamilton should have a massive ego because he can? How so? Having won a single world championship doesn't mean everyone should go out of their way to please you. I just think Hamilton went for the money. Why leave a team such as McLaren?

Because they keep blowing it for him, they have won one championship post 2000 including the constructors. Button, Kimi and Alonso have all won titles elsewhere, not with Mclaren. Brawn only needs to get it right once and it's pretty much game over for every other team.
 
Newey would like to have a discussion with you on that.

I think that Brawn has a pretty solid shot at beating Newey.. Brawn has helped sculpture a 7 time world champion... Newey has brilliant design ideas but without a driver to marry the car, its nothing.. Vettel has just so happened to be the driver to marry the car for the past 2 years.. I think with Hamilton at the wheel of a Silver Arrow under the wing of Ross Brawn, they could stand a pretty good chance...
 
I think that Brawn has a pretty solid shot at beating Newey.. Brawn has helped sculpture a 7 time world champion... Newey has brilliant design ideas but without a driver to marry the car, its nothing.. Vettel has just so happened to be the driver to marry the car for the past 2 years.. I think with Hamilton at the wheel of a Silver Arrow under the wing of Ross Brawn, they could stand a pretty good chance...

Schumacher joined Brawn at Ferrari when he was 27 and that was regarded as the wrong move. Surely Hamilton will at least be close to a title with Mercedes.

EDIT: Surprising Lauda comments http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19776917
 
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I hope Lewis crashes and burns at Mercedes... Money should never be the determining factor

You REALLY shouldn't say such a thing. And that for two reasons (neither being about the AUP because I'm not a mod and therefore such a concern is not my business).

1) As niky wrote many posts ago, relationships can go toxic and all we know (and we know litle) makes such a scenario quite plausible. Hamilton paid back to McLaren all they gave him, many victories, poles, one WDC, he is not their property and if he ever was treated as such, or considered as such, that makes it a very compelling reason to leave. At once. I'm not saing this is true or that it happened, but again he is a free man and his liberty to go where he wants shouldn't be questioned.

2) It wasn't for the money, I con't believe people still say that. I do believe the determining factor was indeed the need to "fly the nest" before everything went wrong(er).
 
He doesn't think about the long game and neither do Mclaren, just look at how much better off Red Bull are in the constructors. When Mclaren see a weekend slipping away they still go for the win, they get too greedy at times.

True.

McLaren have a tendency to do everything in their power to shoot themselves in the foot.

One thing about Red Bull I was impressed about was that they chose to not put in a new engine for Monza. They knew they wouldn't be able to get many points, so it was better to save that engine for races later in the season.

Mclaren wanted Hamilton to stay with them, the rumor is that Mclaren was on the same or even higher money offer than Mercedes. I think Lewis wanted the n°1 status as well which he will have in Mercedes if I'm not mistaken. And I suppose Mclaren doesnt want that or maybe couldnt do it because of Button contract.

Nope, equal driver status at Mercedes. That's what have been said, at least.
 
Haters gonna hate. Whatever Lewis does will be wrong to many, simply because they think McLaren was his foster family.

McLaren is a job. A job that requires you to do a milion sponsor and press events. A job that requires you to train like crazy. A job that requires you to parrot the company line, whether it be about a driver passing you under yellow or matters of corporate espionage.

Lewis has often stated admiration for Button's aura of zen. He's tried and tried and tried to mimic it, but he's never going to find inner peace at McLaren.

Alonso to McLaren, then Ferrari. Michael to Ferrari then Mercedes. senna to McLaren then Williams... Sure, the drivers may owe the teams something, but they paid them back with championships and prestige. Championships those teams wouldn't have had without.

Do I think this move is wrong? I'd prefer Lewis stayed at McLaren. The combination should have been good for three championships over the past few years. It should be good for several more over the next few years. But if neither camp is happy with the arrangement, why force it?
 
Tsk tsk Niky, a double post? :lol:

I agree with you about the Hamilton should have stayed at McLaren, but as the old saying goes, "All good things come to an end". Whether this was the end or not, better to start something new anyway. Do be honest though, I am rather glad that of all the places he could have gone to, he got a seat at Mercedes. Something tells me him and Rosberg will make good mates and they'll make a great team..
 
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Tsk tsk Niky, a double post?

I agree with you about the Hamilton should have stayed at McLaren, but as the old saying goes, "All good things come to an end". Whether this was the end or not, better to start something new anyway. Do be honest though, I am rather glad that of all the places he could have gone to, he got a seat at Mercedes. Something tells me him and Rosberg will make good mates and they'll make a great team..

Hamilton and Nico did make a great team at teamMBM.com formula A karting. Where he won a championship and Nico followed closely behind. Mercedes have always been a massive part of Lewis' driving career, He drove with Mercedes-Benz engines during his two seasons in the Formula Three Euroseries, winning the 2005 championship, and all of his 104 F1 starts - and his 2008 drivers’ title - have been powered by Mercedes-Benz. So maybe he just feels at home at Mercedes, but there is no doubt in my mind that money was a factor.
 
Let's just see what happens in the next few years before you write off the move.

I never wrote the move off. I wish Hamilton the best at Mercedes, I just personally think McLaren is the perfect place for him. I was merely reacting to an earlier post where it seemed like it was a general thought that Brawn + world champion = unbeatable team.

He's led Mercedes for 3 years now, with the biggest legend in the sport and a young, fast driver. So far the team isn't anywhere other than being a midfield team.
 
Hill: Hamilton was a caged bird
source: Planet F1 9-30-12

Damon Hill has backed Lewis Hamilton's decision to leave McLaren, where he was "managed to within an inch of his life."

On Friday it was confirmed that Hamilton would be leaving McLaren at the end of this season, heading to Mercedes in a three-year deal believed to be worth as much as £60million.

Some questions have been raised about whether Hamilton has made the right decision with McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh blatantly saying it is a "mistake."

However, Hill, who won the 1996 World Championship title with Williams, believes the 27-year-old has made the right call.

"Lewis has been like a caged bird at McLaren," Hill told the Daily Mail.

"He'd been managed to within an inch of his life. I can't blame him for looking to move elsewhere. Lewis needed to leave McLaren to stretch his wings."

Sticking issues between Hamilton and McLaren related to who keeps the winner's trophy, something McLaren insist on doing, and also advertising space on his race-suit.

Hill added that the apparent attitude that a driver is just a "hired hand" played a role in Hamilton's decision to walk away.

"I could never get my head around the logic that the team takes the driver's trophy.

"It's the principle, not the trophy, that is at stake. After you have won a Championship, and jumped through a lot of hoops, there is a point when you think: "This is my life". You can have a bellyful of becoming a performing seal. You don't want to be on probation for your whole career.

"Of course, you still have to fight inside the car; but there is a time when, surely, you have proved you can motivate yourself. These are things Lewis has tried to balance.

"This is quite a shift in the power balance in Formula One. It shows a driver is a more important ingredient in the sport than the teams like to think.

"Formula One would do well to remember the public relates to a driver's career path more than any team with the exception of Ferrari. The rest are just operations. To the public, the sport is about the drivers.

"There is a huge disconnect between the philosophy of a team and a driver. Drivers just want to race, they don't see Formula One as a marketing exercise or product development. To a team, a driver is a hired hand. But drivers have a right to a career path. They don't belong to a team."

Hill, though, did acknowledge the fact that moving to Mercedes, who have won just one grand prix in the three years since purchasing the Brawn GP team, is "a risk.

"Mercedes don't have a track record like McLaren but, as a driver in Formula One, you have to look at what's coming down the track a couple of years ahead. It will be interesting to see how Mercedes up."


This in itself is enough for me to understand why Hamilton would want to leave Mclaren. There are of course probably many other valid reasons as well..
 
@theoutlaw, I completely agree with you, and damon hill. If that's how Lewis was treated then how could McLaren expect to keep him there? And it probably explains Buttons "Zen" like state. If you weren't as laid back as Jenson being managed like that would be horrid
 
Hamilton really needed a change. He was clearly becoming more and more uncomfortable in the team since Ron Dennis left the building, and vice versa. Whitmarsh has favored Button since the day he joined the team, and this caused a little tension between them for sure.

Now, we get to see him spread his wings, as Damon Hill said, and see if he and/or Mercedes can deliver. This could be a Schumacher to Ferrari-esque move all over again. Getting one of the best drivers on the grid to lead you could be just what Mercedes needs to put themselves out there into title contention. Schumacher kept on falling over hurdle after hurdle, while trying to get used to the major changes to F1 since 2006, and Rosberg hasn't really impressed.
 
You REALLY shouldn't say such a thing. And that for two reasons (neither being about the AUP because I'm not a mod and therefore such a concern is not my business).

It wasn't for the money, I con't believe people still say that. I do believe the determining factor was indeed the need to "fly the nest" before everything went wrong(er).

So you really think that when people say:
News Article - Hamilton to replace Schumacher at Mercedes
That that had nothing to do with anything.... Hmmm okay... :confused:

I am really happy for Perez going to Mclaren though, good job chico 👍
 
Indeed. It's all over the news that in the end both offers (from McLaren and from Mercedes) were similar.
 
I also don't think Hamilton will be close in the hunt next year either. He went for the money, it's as simple as that.
Really?

Because Mercedes have said that they didn't offer Hamilton any more money than what McLaren wee offering.
 
I think it's all about management. When hamiltons dad was in charge then his racing priorities were top of the list. Now with his new manager I think they just wanted him at Mercedes so they could widen his sponsorship to be more worldwide and thus benefit themselves, they don't really care about his racing.
 
Uh... did you miss the discussion of the past two pages?

Hamilton felt walled in at McLaren partially because the team was making him do so many sponsor events and promos. McLaren asks its drivers to do a lot in the name of sponsorship.
 
McLaren asks its drivers to do a lot in the name of sponsorship.
They do, but it's really a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other.

McLaren do get their drivers to do a lot of promotional work - but the drivers don't have to find their own sponsors, because they're not allowed to. The team organises all of it for them. Now that he is at Mercedes, Hamilton will be free to chase whatever endorsements he likes, but he will have to do it all on his own time. He can do as much or as little as he likes, but he's going to have to do quite a bit if he wants to maintain a public profile. Especially when articles like this link him to promotional work that will give him massive global coverage, which, if true, mean he will probably be doing even more PR work with Mercedes.
 
So, how certain is it that Monster will go after Red Bull in F1? And does that mean radioactive green drippings down the side of next year's Mercs? :lol:

I have a feeling it won't bug him for at least the first six months or so. Whatever he didn't like at McLaren had a cumulative effect (thus partially). So if Mercedes give him a little more leash in his activities off-track, I doubt they'll have the same issues.
 
Well, it's by no means certain. But what Buxton says makes a hell of a lot of sense - Monster already has a presence in motorsports, what with Tech 3 Yamaha in Moto GP, Ken Block in rallying and the Global Rallycross Championship, and I'm pretty sure they were backing a NASCAR team there at one point. What they are lacking is the punch, the thing that can push them to become a major player in the global market.

If any comany can challenge Red Bull, it's Coca-Cola. And the easiest way forward would be to purchase an established comany, especially if that company is one Red Bull consider to be their major compeition. It makes sense for Coca-Cola to buy Monster and then use the existing relationship with Mercedes to make use of Lewis Hamilton and beat Red Bull at their own game.
 
I think Hamilton will win at least one more championship, but he will never win as many as he should because he never think about the long game in a championship.

Do not agree with this statement, in this case Hamilton is looking ahead, he probably made this descission because in the 2014 the new 1600cc motors will come into play. At the moment there will be three (Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes) If he would have stayed this would result in the fact he would be running a car with a motor wich is not developped in the own workshop. As this might be the keyfactor for the 2014 season, I think this is a reasonable choice he made, even if this would mean he wouldn't have the same chances next year...
 
Scuderia Monster Energy, :)

If they're sponsoring Mercedes then surely it would be Großer Preis Mannschaft Monster.

But it'd be interesting to see Coca-Cola become a team's primary sponsor. Even though they're more known for sponsoring events rather than teams, I'm surprised they haven't already made the big leap into F1. However, this could be my mind playing tricks on me, but I vaguely remember the odd Coca-Cola sponsor knocking around in the 1990s, but they might have just been trackside.
 
But it'd be interesting to see Coca-Cola become a team's primary sponsor. Even though they're more known for sponsoring events rather than teams, I'm surprised they haven't already made the big leap into F1. However, this could be my mind playing tricks on me, but I vaguely remember the odd Coca-Cola sponsor knocking around in the 1990s, but they might have just been trackside.

The only soft drink company that had sponsorship on the car that I remember was when 7Up sponsored Jordan in 1991, but back then they weren't really a top team.
 
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