The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10
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Didn't Schumacher drive that car? Or do I have that wrong?
EDIT: 2000th POST! WOOHOO!
EDIT: 2000th POST! WOOHOO!
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Ahhhh, I couldn't tell.
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They don't need to - they're already a household name. They would get no further exposure than they already have.
Although when they were rumoured to be weighing up a sponsorship deal with McLaren a few months ago, Bernie Ecclestone admitted they were very interested in becoming the title sponsor of the championship (kind of like Izod with the Indycar series) and made some very appealing offers, but he decided that Formula 1 had to be independent, rather than havinga corporate sponsor.
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Expect nothing amazing from Lew in next year's Merc. It'll be little more than an induction for him.
2014, however...and they're working on ]i]that[/i] car as we speak...
2014, however...and they're working on ]i]that[/i] car as we speak...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19789183
So there's that story about how Ferrari's supposedly deciding between Di Resta, Hulkenberg, and Massa.
And as it says in the article, reliable sources are saying the Hulk's already been signed on to replace Massa next year.
People are saying that they decided to let Perez go because they wanted him to become a champion first xD. They know he's good enough, but 1 - he's 22, and B - they don't seem to like having #2 drivers that can regularly challenge their #1. Since he's still in their "Academy," or I assume he is, they want him to grow for them to take him on later for sure. They just don't want Checo to grow with them.
So there's that story about how Ferrari's supposedly deciding between Di Resta, Hulkenberg, and Massa.
And as it says in the article, reliable sources are saying the Hulk's already been signed on to replace Massa next year.
People are saying that they decided to let Perez go because they wanted him to become a champion first xD. They know he's good enough, but 1 - he's 22, and B - they don't seem to like having #2 drivers that can regularly challenge their #1. Since he's still in their "Academy," or I assume he is, they want him to grow for them to take him on later for sure. They just don't want Checo to grow with them.
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Voting for Di Resta for the Ferrari seat, because I believe he is easily the most talented driver of the three at this point in time. But, if he did get the seat, that would be such a strange circumstance. Sergio Perez, a through and through Ferrari man, sign's with Ferrari's arch-nemesis, and Di Resta, a through and through Mercedes man, would sign with Ferrari.
Anyways, weird as it would be, pulling for Di Resta.
Anyways, weird as it would be, pulling for Di Resta.
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- gdwest1
Why don't McLaren develop their own engine? They do already for the MP4-12C. In building their own engine, they could diversify their lineup of 1 car as well.
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Why when they already have the experienced Mercedes building their engines? If they build their own, they'd have to spend quite a bit of money. Then what if its not up to par with the Mercedes engine? They've just wasted all that money and gone backwards. Better off to just keep with the Merc engine I reckon..
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Isnt Merc charging them 8mil a year for such engines? It would pay off in the long run.
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It's a british F1 tradition, they build chassis and buy engines. The italians, french and germans have a different tradition, building both chassis and engines, since the beginning of times.
Plus, the late sixties and seventies saw the overwhelming domination of the Ford DFV in all of the british teams, and that "killed" all other previous engine makers from across the channel (Vanwall, BRM, Climax). I may be wrong but I think the last british engine (non-Ford Cosworth) to race in F1 was the Hart.
Plus, the late sixties and seventies saw the overwhelming domination of the Ford DFV in all of the british teams, and that "killed" all other previous engine makers from across the channel (Vanwall, BRM, Climax). I may be wrong but I think the last british engine (non-Ford Cosworth) to race in F1 was the Hart.
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The cost of developing and building a competitive racing engine makes 8 million bucks seem like chump change. Better that engine suppliers sell to multiple teams. Lowers the expense for everyone involved.
Engine development costs in the tens to hundreds of millions. That's why people were groaning over the 2014 rule change. Up front, it will cost them a lot in R&D and retooling.
If McLaren were to spend only 8 million a year to develop and build its own engines, they would be sniffing up HRT's backsides while fighting for position instead of while lapping them.
Engine development costs in the tens to hundreds of millions. That's why people were groaning over the 2014 rule change. Up front, it will cost them a lot in R&D and retooling.
If McLaren were to spend only 8 million a year to develop and build its own engines, they would be sniffing up HRT's backsides while fighting for position instead of while lapping them.
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Was good to see Perez sign with McLaren, I had a tiny suspicion that this could happen, and I liked that Ferrari was given the finger so to speak, Luca should learn that the more you talk, the more likely you are to say something silly and make a fool of yourself, although Perez probably doesn't feel any major ill towards Ferrari, but giving the finger is basically the undertone.
And it will be nice to see Hamilton at Mercedes, mixing up the field a little, rather than seeing all the same top drivers at all the same teams again next year.
And who will go to Sauber? And will they keep Kobayashi? hmmm well the vibe is that Senna won't get another year at Williams, and Perez is taking most (if not all) his sponsoring with him when he leaves, Sauber will have to fill that hole...
I think Petrov's contract at Caterham is for 2012 only, and with his sponsors, he is also a Sauber candidate I would say.
As for Massa, I'd say he's gone. I just can't visualize him there in 2013. And whoever replaces him will need more F1 experience than Perez otherwise Luca would make an even bigger fool of himself.
And it will be nice to see Hamilton at Mercedes, mixing up the field a little, rather than seeing all the same top drivers at all the same teams again next year.
And who will go to Sauber? And will they keep Kobayashi? hmmm well the vibe is that Senna won't get another year at Williams, and Perez is taking most (if not all) his sponsoring with him when he leaves, Sauber will have to fill that hole...
I think Petrov's contract at Caterham is for 2012 only, and with his sponsors, he is also a Sauber candidate I would say.
As for Massa, I'd say he's gone. I just can't visualize him there in 2013. And whoever replaces him will need more F1 experience than Perez otherwise Luca would make an even bigger fool of himself.
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I'd give Hulkenberg the seat. He's shown he can be quick. Quicker than di Resta.
However, it's generally-accepted that Sebastian Vettel has a pre-contract in place with Ferrari for 2014. In that case, no driver is going to want to commit to 2013 and 2013 only, unless they think they can do such a good job that they convince Ferrari to invest in them rather than Vettel. And every driver knows that that will be a tall order, so nobody is going to be stupid enough to try. Except maybe di Resta. Given all his big talk and the hype surrounding him, he'd be arrogant enough to think that he could pull it off - right up to the moment when Ferrari decide to take Vettel, anyway.
In other news, Schumacher has reportedly been in talks with Sauber management, and Peter Sauber himself has said that he would gladly take Schumacher if he felt Schumacher was the right driver for the team. Honestly, I don’t think there is a place for Schumacher in the sport anymore. His return hasn’t gone according to plan, and he’s been upstaged by both younger drivers and other returning drivers. What he has achieved has been great, but now he’s just treading water. I’d much prefer to see Sauber take on a promising young talent, like Frijns, da Costa, Evans or Wickens, rather than taken on Schumacher.
It's either that or hope that Marussia get 10th in 2012, and decide that they don't need a pay driver like Pic or Max Chilton, and instead decide that a Russian driver would be worth a lot more to them. Or hope that Timo Glock loses patience with the team, so that they can get Chilton's money and the profile of a Russian driver in a Russian team.
However, it's generally-accepted that Sebastian Vettel has a pre-contract in place with Ferrari for 2014. In that case, no driver is going to want to commit to 2013 and 2013 only, unless they think they can do such a good job that they convince Ferrari to invest in them rather than Vettel. And every driver knows that that will be a tall order, so nobody is going to be stupid enough to try. Except maybe di Resta. Given all his big talk and the hype surrounding him, he'd be arrogant enough to think that he could pull it off - right up to the moment when Ferrari decide to take Vettel, anyway.
In other news, Schumacher has reportedly been in talks with Sauber management, and Peter Sauber himself has said that he would gladly take Schumacher if he felt Schumacher was the right driver for the team. Honestly, I don’t think there is a place for Schumacher in the sport anymore. His return hasn’t gone according to plan, and he’s been upstaged by both younger drivers and other returning drivers. What he has achieved has been great, but now he’s just treading water. I’d much prefer to see Sauber take on a promising young talent, like Frijns, da Costa, Evans or Wickens, rather than taken on Schumacher.
Petrov doesn't have sponsors. The Russian government pulled his funding, and Charles Pic is believed to be moving to Caterham next year. His best hope is to count on Kovalainen moving elsewhere in 2013 and that Marussia finish ahead of Caterham; that way, Pic would be replacing him rather than Petrov. And since it would be difficult enough to catch up to the others on a reduced budget as is, Caterham would be mad to replace both drivers for 2013.
It's either that or hope that Marussia get 10th in 2012, and decide that they don't need a pay driver like Pic or Max Chilton, and instead decide that a Russian driver would be worth a lot more to them. Or hope that Timo Glock loses patience with the team, so that they can get Chilton's money and the profile of a Russian driver in a Russian team.
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Have you met di Resta? Do you know he is arrogant? Can you point me in the direction of any quotes he has made that suggest he is arrogant? If not, you are trying to have us believe your opinion is fact, which is tiresome.
As I pointed out a few pages back when you asserted Hulkenburg is better then di Resta, the point's table proves otherwise.
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The points table has proven that Heidfeld is better than Raikkonen (and Webber) and that Coulthard was better than Webber in 2007...
The points table by itself does not prove anything. Many fans rate Hulkenburg over di Resta, and it's ok if you believe otherwise, but there's no need to keep pointing towards your inconclusive evidence as if it was fact.
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