Will GT7 Get Left behind when Forza Motorsports 8 hits the Market?
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Microsoft is 0/3 on system sellers right now. Halo, Starfield and now Forza. Couldn't care less what the mainstream reviewers think and so far the general consensus from more sim-focused folk is that it's fun but the FFB and sim elements take a backseat to making an approachable game. It was there for the taking considering how lackadaisical PD has been with almost everything. Still waiting to see some actual sim racing YTers get a hold of it but looks like this one needs a year in the oven like Cyberpunk did.
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At its current state i rather stick with gt7,
They are repeating the same mistakes as gt7 with lack of content, single player is just 95 races witch is basicly nothing, car levels is to much of a grind, i rather wait until its more complete, and would do the same with gt7 if i know it was an uncomplete game, for me its not about the cars, its mainly the short single player and features, deprnding on what rate its added in i might buy it in spring, but right their is not enough for me to spend $600 on a Xbox series x
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I take it you don't play the game then? There is no grind. You get exp. for driving on the racing line. Everything happens automatically just by doing that. Each event requires a different car. You earn the credits to buy them while racing. I'm enjoying it so much much more than any GT game since GT4.
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Their is grind for reaching Max levels on the cars to be able to put all upgrades on the car witch takes at least 2,5 hours for each car for the people that like to tune and upgrade dont have the same option anymore, this is a bad system, i rather stick with gt7 until things have changed, but if you enjoy the game then by all means i cant take that from you, but for me those issues would not be enjoyable for me
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I guess you have forgotten you need to get to menu book 10 ISH before you unlock multiplayer on GT7, oh what about the roulette to get the engine swaps and other exotic part's or with the recent update engine swaps are behind collector level 50, even upgrades are locked behind collector level(had to Google this but level 7).
For all my upgrade needs on Forza I get them within a few race's. It's not much of a grind at all, they do need to patch in a fix that you keep parts unlocked for repeat cars.
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Honest answer after several hours on Forza ‘23 and several weeks on GT7…..I think games like this are maybe getting left behind. Too overly familiar to be a big hardware seller anymore, too generalist to really impress sim racing fans used to iRacing and ACC.
That said, I like both games, and think Forza is an extremely good basis for (hopefully) a lot of support and building on these foundations over the next couple of years. But ultimately if you’re a gamer (ie not obsessed with the world of racing sims) then I don’t think these games have any ‘wow factor’ because they’re so predictable and haven’t really moved with the times. They’re not going to care less about newly laser scanned environments or physics tweaks are they. They’re off to play FH5 or God of War Rägnarok. The rest of us, unless you really fall in love with the online side - which seems good - something like ACC is a far more focused and satisfying sim. These big racing ‘blockbusters’ rely on having a wider impact they just don’t have in 2023.
In terms of FM vs GT, gut instinct is starting to tell me that this Forza, if they deliver with post launch support, is maybe the better foundation. GT7 has kind of backed itself into a bit of a cul de sac even if I still think it’s got the better core driving experience.
That said, I like both games, and think Forza is an extremely good basis for (hopefully) a lot of support and building on these foundations over the next couple of years. But ultimately if you’re a gamer (ie not obsessed with the world of racing sims) then I don’t think these games have any ‘wow factor’ because they’re so predictable and haven’t really moved with the times. They’re not going to care less about newly laser scanned environments or physics tweaks are they. They’re off to play FH5 or God of War Rägnarok. The rest of us, unless you really fall in love with the online side - which seems good - something like ACC is a far more focused and satisfying sim. These big racing ‘blockbusters’ rely on having a wider impact they just don’t have in 2023.
In terms of FM vs GT, gut instinct is starting to tell me that this Forza, if they deliver with post launch support, is maybe the better foundation. GT7 has kind of backed itself into a bit of a cul de sac even if I still think it’s got the better core driving experience.
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Yes I fully agree, but in context to this thread which is GT Vs Forza there seems to be a huge amount of unlocks are locked behind grind as if it's not present in GT. They both have a grind mechanic.
I personally think GT shouldn't have exotic parts locked behind a random roulette system and FM shouldn't have physical upgrade parts locked behind LVL 50(even tho those parts are not often changed) they should be at 35 which is so easy to get too.
Visual upgrades should be behind LVL 50 (maybe rim size, or visual upgrades which don't effect performance).
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I don't think PD have anywhere near enough modellers to keep up with Turn 10. If the cars take 50% longer to make, Kaz said 9 months up from 6 months then they need 50% more modellers. I don't think the earn enough from, not so micro actions, to finance an extra 50% though.
It's a very good job you can't get Forza Motorsport on PS5. Solo player would move over to it.
It's a very good job you can't get Forza Motorsport on PS5. Solo player would move over to it.
They're clearly not focusing their efforts in the right areas then.
They're using models in the new Forza Motorsport from the Xbox 360 era!
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The difference is that GT7's grind is a one time thing. As you level up your car collection level, you unlock new parts and events yes, but that's just regular progression. In Forza even if you have played the game for 2000 hours and own 500 cars, if you buy a new car you will still have to level it up to tune it.
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Feels like GT7/Forza8 are 5 year long beta tests. Like Sophie isn't in GT7 yet....just appeared for a bit. VR is here but not at the potential resolution it could be. It is funny though trying to sift through the YT reviews in both of these games...getting a bunch of neckbeards who beat it to furry dog people telling me why racing game is bad.
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Gt7 really needs sophy and better single player, vr is amazing through, its not as clear as a 4k screen, but still looks good specially in the car interiors, vr is proably the best thing pd nailed for gt7, but there is other aspects like have the option for custom exhaust witch is an incrediable detail, they drop the ball on single player, and i really expexted fm to not make the same mistake but its extreamly short as well, and just like gt7 it dosen’t take use of all cars in the game in single player
Single player will expand, it's not a limited amount, they will add more single player content month by month I believe from what people are stating in friendly Forza groups on Facebook, not saying the commenters in this forum are unfriendly btw. Just saying that good discussion is happening on those group's.
GT also nailed engine reconditioning of old used car's another missing item in Forza.
I miss the team driver you could have race for you in GT why did they ditch that.
"New cars, career tours, online events, and limited-time Rivals will be introduced to Forza Motorsport, and these will arrive through our monthly updates. Forza Motorsport will introduce new cars in a variety of ways. Some will be released directly into the Showroom and can be acquired with in-game credits. 21 Sept 2023"
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Ouch
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I’ve gone back and forth on this game and whether it lives up to the hype and expectation - it doesn’t - but I think the amount of criticism it’s getting is a little daft. It’s a good game and a good basis for the support T10 will give it in the next two or three years. Some of these reviews are just silly. I never understand the need to so fervently ‘take sides’ in the GT7 vs Forza debate. For my money neither lived up to the hype and both are as flawed as each other, just in different ways. But when all’s said and done, both are good games.
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I felt very stung by GT7 in terms of what we got compared to expectations. I expected a return to form regarding the single player career, and we got a glorfied tutorial made up of chase the rabbit events. That has also expanded, but none of the new events are really that great, even the high paying 3 are only great beucase they're high paying, they're all quite easy and are chase the rabbit format.
The actual races in Forza are better than they are in GT7, but I want to see if they adjust the car points tuning model, I don't have the time or desire to level up every car for 1-2 hours that I want to buy, modify and drive. That kind of mechanic just artificially limits the players, as do other mechnics in GT7. But the car points tuning and short career are definitely negatives.
Both games have good points but both developers have gone backwards in terms of game structure from earlier titles.
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The problem is, not PD’s problem, it seems Kaz feels this current GT is like making a hand built car(Kit car or one-off concept or restoring a classic car). Taking his time piecing it together. Doesn’t matter if me or you feel it’s good or bad to do in today’s gaming age, he’s just doing what he wants to do. He’ll chop and change it as he goes.
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Fm has more cars, but they also uses recycled x360 models, none have detail as gt7,most of jdm cars in fm look horrible specially skyline r32 and Silvia s15, i learn to really love the amount of detail pd puts into the cars, but they could just have more resources so we could have more of it
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All Forza had to do is add a daily roulette that actually pays you good prizes regularly rather than giving the lowest prize while making all prize chances look equal even though they are not like GT7.
They had a sure thing, swung and missed
They had a sure thing, swung and missed
I'm glad there isn't that rubbish in Forza, if I want to play a lucky spin or roulette then I will go to a casino. I don't feel it deserves to be in racing games.
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I never cared about Forza, and by the looks of that right there I probably never will, lol.
I mean, I predicted the re-use of old sub-par car models and the usual withholding of DLC content bull**** but wow, that’s a mess.
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