2014 Grand Prix du Canada

[GTPorsche]

Wasn't Kubica's crash in Canada back in '07 around 80G?

 

[GTracer98]

What a race... all I can say is WOW. Again, it was enough for me to partly forgive the terrible engines. And also, Rosberg SHOULD have been penalised for the corner cut.

The moment when Hamilton cut the chicane as well, it looked like a funny revenge but then it was discovered to be braking problems.

 

[Peasantslayer]

This..wow.

As soon as he locked up I knew what was coming after Monaco and before you call me a fanboy I wouldn't mind Rosberg dominating, as long as it's a fair fight.

 

[BHRxRacer]

You'd get knocked out by 12G. That's a bit higher than usual

What was Alonso's impact when he hit the speed bump at full speed last year? Wasn't it something like 50Gs?

edit

Looked up. 25Gs.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Great race, thank you mechanical failure gods. Also have to say Massa blow his chances big time.

 

[starknight97]

You'd get knocked out by 12G. That's a bit higher than usual

27G is quite good for a crash. Look at other examples similar to the the ones posted above.

 

[Ninners]

Toto Wolff - "We knew brakes could be an issue, but this particular issue occured because if you loses the MGU-K, it's much harder on the brakes. And with the rise in temperatures in the pits you end up having a real problem."

So the MGU-K failure made it harder for the brakes and after Lewis pitted the temperatures went over the edge which caused the brake failure.

At least Lewis gave the advantage he gained back.

 

[Milouse]

27G impact for Perez. Wow.

Really !? I saw on onboard replay that he hit really really hard, but 27 G ! The brain doesn't like these numbers at all.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Great race, thank you mechanical failure gods. Also have to say Massa blow his chances big time.

Be careful they'll label you a Rosberg fanboy. Completely forgetting that both Mercs suffered, not just Hamilton.

 

[carracerptp]

Damn that was close.

I bet it was the first time Vettel was happy to let the Williams overtake.

 

[dhandeh]

Not like anything short of Rosberg is Hitler gets processed in your heads though.

But Hitler was Austrian. Nice job of avoiding the argument though.

 

[Samus]

So will the racing gods decide some bad luck on Rosberg later in the season? Given their 100% performance you'd have to assume Lewis will need it to catch up.

Wasn't Kubica's crash in Canada back in '07 around 80G?

75G, yes.

 

[Samus]

But Hitler was Austrian. Nice job of avoiding the argument though.

Put him on ignore, trust me it cleans these threads right up except for the people still engaging with him.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Jeff Gordon had one in a NASCAR race several years back that was up in the 60 G area. To these guys 27 isn't too terribly bad.

 

[86Debris86]

Aaaand it's Godwin's law...

 

[BHRxRacer]

But Hitler was Austrian. Nice job of avoiding the argument though.

What argument? Did he not brake and lock up accidentally? That's the argument. @Peasantslayer was implying Nico did that on purpose to cut the chicane and get out of the DRS.

 

[dhandeh]

Put him on ignore, trust me it cleans these threads right up except for the people still engaging with him.

But the 'View Ignored Content' button annoys me. If only you could ignore people and have that removed would be ideal.

 

[Robin]

27G impact for Perez. Wow.

Rob Smedley confirmed 27G impact for Massa also.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No you're just putting words into my mouth. I said he didn't go at full speed. He did gain an advantage, and he did get the fastest lap. That's not the point. The point is the wording, always vilifying anybody against Hamilton to the maximum.

So you missed Rosberg setting fastest lap by cutting the last corner at full speed?

He didn't.

Bad luck, looks like you're putting words in your own mouth there, bad luck dude

He DID set the fastest lap as everyone else who watched the race and timing accepts. Just accept you were wrong before you get asked for a citation to prove that you saw something which nobody else did.

Be careful of fanboyism, it marks you out in this kind of adult discussion as "unreliable".

 

[niky]

He did gain an advantage, and he did get the fastest lap. That's not the point. The point is the wording, always vilifying anybody against Hamilton to the maximum.

The point is, after he missed his braking point and got off the brakes, he took the straightest, fastest line he could across the runoff area, far, far off the track, and had the throttle down the whole way.

So, yes... that was pretty fast.

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Mind you... this is as an impartial observer. I noted that his move on Lewis early on was entirely fair, given the same logic followed in Lewis' defense against him in Bahrain (you can't expect a driver to give up the outside of a corner exit because the racing line naturally moves that way).

But leaving the track IS illegal under the rules.

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.

A driver leaving the track and gaining a position is expected to return the position. There's no specific guideline for what a driver does if he leaves it in front of another driver and doesn't lose one. How do you give back, exactly, half a second?

Thus there's no specific penalty for that.

Which comes back to a much earlier argument... are you for or against the exploitation of the "gray areas" of the rules? Because, like it or not, however nice the driver's personality may be, that is exactly what happened today.

 

[Samus]

Jeff Gordon had one in a NASCAR race several years back that was up in the 60 G area. To these guys 27 isn't too terribly bad.

It's not so much the number but the type of G. Horizontal G can be ok, Vertical G is more dangerous.

 

[GTPorsche]

Jeff Gordon had one in a NASCAR race several years back that was up in the 60 G area. To these guys 27 isn't too terribly bad.

Townsend Bell's crash at the Indy 500 2 weeks ago was 60G as well. Higher G impacts are more common in oval racing due to the nature of the racing and proximity to the walls.

 

[dhandeh]

What argument? Did he not brake and lock up accidentally? That's the argument. @Peasantslayer was implying Nico did that on purpose to cut the chicane and get out of the DRS.

Show me where he said he cut the corner on purpose.

 

[GTracer98]

It's not so much the number but the type of G. Horizontal G can be ok, Vertical G is more dangerous.

And lateral G is also more dangerous.

 

[TenEightyOne]

And lateral G is also more dangerous.

Yup, longitudinal G is best. I'm astonished at only 27, Ralf pulled nearly 130 into the wall at Indy... and never put his sandwich down.

It shows how cleverly decelarative those newer barriers are.

 

[Samus]

Regarding the chicane I think they really do need to look at making sure anyone taking the easy way out aren't able to drive through at speed. Mistakes happen and people miss their braking points accidentally but it needs to be punished by making the alternative route slower.

 

[GTracer98]

Yup, longitudinal G is best. I'm astonished at only 27, Ralf pulled nearly 130 into the wall at Indy... and never put his sandwich down.

It shows how cleverly decelarative those newer barriers are.

Well, when Massa and Perez crashed, the tyre wall looked like foam, so absorbent.

Regarding the chicane I think they really do need to look at making sure anyone taking the easy way out aren't able to drive through at speed. Mistakes happen and people miss their braking points accidentally but it needs to be punished by making the alternative route slower.

Like a slalom similar to Le Mans on the Mulsanne straight?

 

[Peasantslayer]

Regarding the chicane I think they really do need to look at making sure anyone taking the easy way out aren't able to drive through at speed. Mistakes happen and people miss their braking points accidentally but it needs to be punished by making the alternative route slower.

Would make sense to build the kerb all the way up to the wall but having said that Lewis would have been launched.

 

[GTPorsche]

A chicane in that area would do wonders.

 

[Ninners]

I don't understand why they left a small gap there, if it's there then what's the point of having it there because a driver is always going to take the easier route.