2015 Grand Prix de Monaco - All Results in OP

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Milouse
I've read lot of messages implying Mercedes strategists are dumb.
It's easy to judge a strategy after events, but things are not that simple in race context:
1. When you're P1, the best strategy is to copy your rivals one.
2. On Safety Cars release, Mercedes didn't know if others would pit - at this moment, J. Villeneuve said on TV that a lot of cars were going to pit because old tires are very hard to get on right temp after SC.
3. Mercedes needed to make a quick call, wait to see what others do would have put Hamilton in greater danger anyway because they can catch up under SC.

Mercedes (or Hamilton) just have to make a blind bet, and they loose it.
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They said they got the maths wrong and were gambling with a small margin to come out ahead. They already had tyres comfortable to end off race and freshest tyres out of the three cars and fastest driver on track by a huge margin. They also had buffer with Nico to Sebastian and also their car is much better at warm up it seems from previous races and this race, Nico just took off compared to Sebastian.

They are making a huge bet for a small benefit for final few laps on a track where track position is king.
 
Boo-hoo Hamilton, you've gone down another notch in the respect stakes with your petulant reaction to a team decision.

Moaning and groaning about losing the win when you prompted the team into the decision yourself with your moaning about the tyres in the first place.

I bet the team had to talk you out of doing a 'Senna' and walking home in a 'huff' without talking to the press, when you stopped at the start of the tunnel, you big freaking tart!!!

1st world problems eh?
 
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numbnuts70
Boo-hoo Hamilton, you've gone down another notch in the respect stakes with your petulant reaction to a team decision.

Moaning and groaning about losing the win when you prompted the team into the decision yourself with your moaning about the tyres in the first place.

I bet the team had to talk you out of doing a 'Senna' and walking home in a 'huff' without talking to the press, when you stopped at the start of the tunnel, you big freaking tart!!!

1st world problems eh?
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Really?

Would you say this about any other F1 driver if this were to happen to them, or do you just dislike Hamilton for whatever reason? Hamilton even admitted that he was apart of the problem, and from what I'm seeing at the moment, Hamilton isn't doing all of the complaining, it's his fans and people who are frustrated with the state of Formula One.



He's handled this better than many may have thought. I know that mentally, he's frustrated, but he's just not showing it, which lets us know that he's in control as apposed to other times.

Sure, you can toss around the notion that Hamilton is 'whiny', but he has the right to show his frustration whether it was his fault or not. Remember when Rosberg came along complaining about Hamilton doing his own thing and ignoring him?

If you really think that he's being irrational, think again. The race had lots of importance to Hamilton as it was his first time starting in the front of the pack at Monaco. For his clear-cut victory to be taken away through a simple mis-calculation, he has every reason to be frustrated. Like I said, any other F1 driver would be frustrated if they were leading a race like Monaco by some twenty odd seconds only for that to be taken away by some terrible pit strategy.

Don't forget that his lead for the championship has been jeopardized.

And if you're complaining about people and their '1st world' problems, you should probably stop watching F1, yeah? I mean, at the end of the day, Formula One is just a bunch of whiny celebrities racing fast cars, so of course they're going to act privileged, especially when there is a trophy on the line to boost their ego.

On another note: Verstappen just got a 5 place penalty for the incident.
 
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numbnuts70
Boo-hoo Hamilton, you've gone down another notch in the respect stakes with your petulant reaction to a team decision.

Moaning and groaning about losing the win when you prompted the team into the decision yourself with your moaning about the tyres in the first place.

I bet the team had to talk you out of doing a 'Senna' and walking home in a 'huff' without talking to the press, when you stopped at the start of the tunnel, you big freaking tart!!!

1st world problems eh?
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I thought he would react the way he did as he seems he trys and takes positives out of things as much as he can and my respect has grown for him. I don't know if any other driver would have taken it as well as Lewis did today. Didn't see anything wrong with his behaviour. Can I ask what do you expect from him, to be happy about losing a race in the way he did, the team didn't look too happy either after losing a 1-2, where they petulant as well?
 
Anyone who believes that Hamilton was being his "petulant" self in the post-race interviews has never seen a Hamilton interview before this.

He's either matured a great deal, or he's in such shock his emotional centers have shut down, leaving him in "press conference mode". :lol:
 
Malaysia wasnt a good enough lesson for Mercedes it seems. Here they go again with poor tyre strategy. I dont even understand why they want to pit someone at this point of the race in Monaco. Especially someone that is 1st. It amazed me in a bad way.
Not sure why he pitted too, he should know he was in the best position as a driver with that many years of experience. I dont know what to say really. What a shame for Mercedes and Lewis. Great job from Vettel and Rosberg again.

Great job from Sainz who scores 1 pt starting from pitwall in monaco.

Oh and I forgot, wtf Red Bull, this is not racing, asking a driver to let the other overtake, then asking that same driver to let the other overtake you. Pitfull really. And then F1 wonder why people loose interest in racing.
 
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Well that was interesting ... and very unexpected. Last time I remember such a violent turn in events was when Lewis grabbed his 2008 championship leaving Massa and his family to tears.

But Lewis has come a long way since then and he was remarkably controlled today, no tantrums or punches thrown (expect for the poor 3rd spot marker but that was funny :lol: ).

Vettel was absolutely delighted with all that had happened, and Rosberg was understandably very happy with being gifted this win by a mistake from his rival (or team, whatever). I would be too.


About blames, of course it all falls squarely on the Mercedes team, even if they told Hamilton to stay out at first, when Hamilton insisted they should've just said "Trust us. STAY OUT".

Entertaining end to an otherwise very boring event.
 
RX-7_FD3S
Oh and I forgot, wtf Red Bull, this is not racing, asking a driver to let the other overtake, then asking that same driver to let the other overtake you. Pitfull really. And then F1 wonder why people loose interest in racing.
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Ricciardo pitted just like Hamilton. The idea was to let Ricciardo try to fight for the 3rd and maybe even 2nd place with the fresh tires. As that didn't work, he gave back the 4th to Verstappen. I don't see a problem with their strategy.
 
Josa
Ricciardo pitted just like Hamilton. The idea was to let Ricciardo try to fight for the 3rd and maybe even 2nd place with the fresh tires. As that didn't work, he gave back the 4th to Verstappen. I don't see a problem with their strategy.
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*Kyvat
 
Is Verstappen's penalty fair ?
He say's grosean braked early and from what I see swerved into the pit exit then slowly moved back over to the left.
 
Bull 🤬 in my opinion. Grosjean definitely braked earlier than normal there. Even Alan McNish on BBC said he braked too early.

 
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FIA have access to telemetry, they know more then any commentator.

New Super Softs vs Ancient Softs.

Also Grosjean kept a consistent braking line, it looks like he didn't because Verstappen was the one moving around.

You can see what I mean from the 2nd take of this video:
 
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I feel Hamilton was probably guilty of trying ace the race. Funnily at the start I thought why is Rosberg so slow, is he saving his tyres for the end and gambling on a safety car. Turned out that wasn't the case with the lead Lewis pulled out.

Hamilton probably should've maintained a gap of 10 seconds, save your engine and gearbox but instead he wants to pull a crazy lead with a 80% chance of a safety car that can undo all your hard work and you just have very worn tyres at the end of your exhibition. If there's one race you don't try to lay the smack down its Monaco.

Did you hear David Coulthard during the race about Fangio and winning it at the slowest speed?
 
Pilitev
According to http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-verstappen-bestraft-fuer-unfall-9603946.html the stewards said that according the data Grosjean indeed braked a little earlier that lap. They also said that Grosjean is allowed to brake whenever he wants, it's always the fault of the the one who hit him from behind. So he should keep his distance.
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What? You need to brush up on your German ;)

If anything Grosjean braked later than on previous laps, they say. Verstappen claims Grosjean braked earlier, the stewards don't.

Grid penalty and 2 points on Verstappen's licence. A nasty crash and maybe the end of his "lunge" move that's served him so well to date.
 
I feel bad for Hamilton that his team made a REALLY stupid decision...but...that bit at the podium as he pulled in...kinda funny as he hit the sign. :lol: :P
 
I have read that Mercedes apologized to Hamilton about calling him in unnecessarily, blaming it on a miscalculation. Is that the real story, or did Hamilton need, and demand, to pit to replace worn-out tires?
 

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