FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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There is something else i really like to do in GT5: Driving a Ferrari F1 on Suzuka with the T500RS. It's just such a great experience, I could do that the whole day. It actually feels better than to drive the track in F1 2011. I have never been in Japan so I don't know how realistic GT5 Suzuka really is but it seems to be really well made. I hope to find a similar experience in Forza 4, but it's gonna be hard without the right wheel.
 
I looked at some videos on youtube that compared GT5 with Forza and I was biased because I've only played GT5. I tried looking for where the graphics of GT5 are better but they were hard to find to be honest. From what I've seen in the videos and the photo's of Forza on this forum, Forza's graphics seem nicer. The biggest difference in graphics to me is the lighting. Forza seems more light ans gt5 a bit darker. The darker graphics of GT5 in a video which compared it to Forza and real life on Suzuka seemed more like the real thing but I also liked how Forza looked. But I can't really judge from youtube videos. Is there anyone who isn't biased and has both games that can tell which game looks better?
 
Nicer graphics or not, one thing I feel pretty confident saying, is that GT5 has better modeleing, both on the cars and tracks. GT5's premium car models are close to, if not spot on, while in Forza 4 I've seen quie a few cars that are 'off' so to speak, from their real life counterparts, even a few cars that are new for Forza 4. As for the tracks, all real life vs GT5 videos I've seen shows little or no differense between the tracks in GT5 and real life. When I saw a Forza 4 video around the ring the other day though, I hardly recognized the place at all.

Another 'proof' or whatever you want to call it, that GT5's tracks are very close to real life, is that I've played iRacing (laser scanned tracks) and they are very similair to GT5's versions.

No, I haven't played Forza 4 so I'm not to judge really, but from what I can tell GT5 looks more realistic. I'll not say much better, because I'll get jumped on for that, but at least better. That's my opinion anyway, so don't be one of those jerks who tries to put words in one's mouth, please.
 
How can you comment on a game you've never played?

Also, isn't it funny how FM has b etter versions of Suzuka, Tsukuba, and Motegi(GT5 dosent even have) than GT? Why did they put all their cards in one basket?
 
I know people keep posting 'photo mode' pics from Forza 4, but correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt the game render the cars at a higher quality than what you actually drive? Where as in game they aren't at that level of detail. and if this is the case why do people use 'bullshots' to prove better graphics when you cant even drive the cars in that quality regardless. at least a GT premium is the same quality in game, photomode etc.
 
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How can you comment on a game you've never played?
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I said from what I've seen GT5 looks more realistic. You know there are tons of videos and images out there, don't you?

I didn't say anything about physics or anything like that, this was just about the graphics and modeling accuracy.

Also, isn't it funny how FM has b etter versions of Suzuka, Tsukuba, and Motegi(GT5 dosent even have) than GT? Why did they put all their cards in one basket?[/COLOR][/B]
How can you say something like it's a fact? They don't look better to me, but I guess you know better then...

Did you take my view of things hard? Since you're getting so upset I mean?

*Image of a Corvette*
What are you trying to say? That Forza 4's photomode looks just as good as GT5's?
 
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also it looks the same kind of in game
and gt5 looks different in photomode than gameplay
Not as different as in Forza 4 though. And GT5 still has better, more accurate modeling done to many cars, not all, but many.

EDIT: I'm outta here, this is the wrong section of this site for me anyway. I'm sure Forza 4 is a great game though, in fact better than GT5 in many ways (level of modifications, livery editor and such), but I'll stick to sony for at least years to come.

Bye bye!
 
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also it looks the same kind of in game
and gt5 looks different in photomode than gameplay

No, it doesn't. Model swap is only done in photo travel, when you take a picture out of a replay, the graphics stay the same. Before 2.0 photos actually looked worse, because a lot of light effects were missing in the rendered pictures, glad they changed that.
 
How can you comment on a game you've never played?

Also, isn't it funny how FM has b etter versions of Suzuka, Tsukuba, and Motegi(GT5 dosent even have) than GT? Why did they put all their cards in one basket?

I don't know about Tsukuba but if you look at this video the GT5 version of Suzuka looks more like the real thing than the Forza 4 version. I do love the sun glare in the first corner in the Forza 4 version:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsNYX5je0g

Look at 0:20 for example. There's a entire part missing on the left side. Right side is completely different too there
 
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I've had the chance to try Forza 4 on a friend's xbox (I'm a PS user since PS1 and a GT user since GT1, and I've never had any other console from then on).

Well, the GAME itself is absolutely amazing. They have improved lighting, shadows, polygons on cars and tracks, and pushed the hardware to unexpected limits. What I like the most in Forza is it being sort of "plug and play" game: it has a simpler interface than GT5, and in that reminds me the glorious GT3, in which "fun" was the key word and which has been -in my opinion- the most entertaining GT so far.
Forza is a strange case. This series begun as a copy of Gran Turismo, so that people on xbox can have a comparable racing game too. It never reached the spirit and the enchantment of GT, because, amongst other things, it is rather about driving than about "loving cars". But Forza 4 is TECHNICALLY a better game than GT5 is, and that's mainly because it looks like a finished and well polished product, where GT5 seems to have been released before it was completed: a lot of great ideas, whose development has been suddenly ended before it was finished because the game had to be released. It is hard to say that for me, having played and loved all the 5 GTs, but this time PD has been bested. Not by turn ten, but by themselves. The errors have been mainly logistic: they should have released GT5 at PS3 launch just by adapting, upscaling and improving GT4, a work that could have been done in a couple of months, and then they could have worked on the masterpiece (GT6) they intended to develop, being more relaxed: without fans, sony and competitors forcing them to hurry up all the time. Instead, what we've got is an improved version of GT4 (which should've been released 5 years before) along with some parts of the masterpiece which should have been released later and called GT6. Also, they have probably overestimated the PS3 potential, and on that field I'm pretty much sure that the x86 based xbox 360 is way more "programmer friendly" than the cell based PS3 architecture is. As an example, any graphic programmer could render a car for Forza using any 3d program, and it would be a piece of cake to include it in the game. Conversely, on the ps3, each single car, and every single 3d element has to be SPECIFICALLY designed for the ps3 structure, which takes an enormous amount of time to the developers.
That being said, Gran Turismo is still the milestone for what concerns car physics and driving pleasure. It's Gran Turismo, no doubt about that, and I wouldn't change it for any other driving game, that including the amazing forza 4, which I would enjoy playing, for sure, but AS WELL, not INSTEAD.

Hope this thread of mine does not generate anger, flaming or bashing. Hopefully, it will produce a pacific exchange of opinions from those who have tried both the games, instead. I am a PS3 user, and a huge fan of the gran turismo series, and I've tried to be the most objective that I could.

Totally agree. Nice review. 👍


I only played F4 demo, but thats exactly how I felt... Whish GT5 would feel nearly as polished especially in menues!

I too agree it was likely a logistic problem to release a GT4 HD (5) earlier.

Anyways F4 seems like a great game.
So is GT5.

:)
 
How can you comment on a game you've never played?

Also, isn't it funny how FM has b etter versions of Suzuka, Tsukuba, and Motegi(GT5 dosent even have) than GT? Why did they put all their cards in one basket?

what? don't make statements like that with such conviction, it deteriorates your image as someone with a respectable opinion.
 
How can you comment on a game you've never played?

Also, isn't it funny how FM has b etter versions of Suzuka, Tsukuba, and Motegi(GT5 dosent even have) than GT? Why did they put all their cards in one basket?

From what i see in the comparison video Suzuka looks great in both. And the GT5 version of the ring is so good because Yamauchi loves the ring! He sure is if he joined the 24h race twice as a racer. He even won his class this year. This love real shows in the game. Sure i am a ring fan, the 24h race is my favourite race , but that is what makes the difference between GT5 und Forza for me.
 
I have owned Forza 1,2 & 3. I plan to buy Forza 4 in december when my little brother gets back from afghanistan. I like Forza for its online game modes, but for racing and hot lapping GT is my series. Thats mostly because all the wheels Ive owned have only worked with Playstation. I have owned a couple for Xbox and they were all crap, sold them within a month. If I was just going with a controller, Forza would probably be my game because it is easier to drive.
 
That Fujimi Kaido track looks like fun too. Does anyone know if it's a real place?

Its based off some real roads, but I doubt (and I could be wrong) its an accurate copy of an actual road layout.

I hated it when I first drove on it in FM3, but after getting the feel for it, I have to say for a fantasy track, its pretty damn good.
 
From what i see in the comparison video Suzuka looks great in both. And the GT5 version of the ring is so good because Yamauchi loves the ring! He sure is if he joined the 24h race twice as a racer. He even won his class this year. This love real shows in the game. Sure i am a ring fan, the 24h race is my favourite race , but that is what makes the difference between GT5 und Forza for me.

Let's be honest here. If it wasn't for the ring, it would be something else. You played GT since the PS1 days so for you, the GT series feels natural. That's the real truth. You have nostalgia and emotion involvement with the series. You don't have that connection with Forza. Most gamers who own a playstation since the PS1 days have this hatred for anything Microsoft. If Forza was on PS3, I think that some members might see the game differently.

I am not emotionally attach to any device, I play on PC/PS3/X360. Whatever game that feel that gap. I love GTR/F1 2011 on PC, played GT5 to death and now it's Forza time. Who is the winner ? me.
 
Let's be honest here. If it wasn't for the ring, it would be something else. You played GT since the PS1 days so for you, the GT series feels natural. That's the real truth. You have nostalgia and emotion involvement with the series. You don't have that connection with Forza. Most gamers who own a playstation since the PS1 days have this hatred for anything Microsoft. If Forza was on PS3, I think that some members might see the game differently.

I am not emotionally attach to any device, I play on PC/PS3/X360. Whatever game that feel that gap. I love GTR/F1 2011 on PC, played GT5 to death and now it's Forza time. Who is the winner ? me.

Wow, one of the best comments I have seen on this thread.👍
 
When the Forza 4 demo hit loads of people said it was a GT5 killer. But if we use the demo to base graphics comparisons off, then how dare we do that. Has to be a two way street in order for it to work.

Until another racing series of any sort can produce real life race car drivers based off of them soley playing the game then heading to the track, then I will declare GT is in some sort of strife. You cannot argue that fact and proof in how detailed not only the physics are but the cars and tracks to allow people to ACTUALLY live that dream.

Theres a lot to be said for that. No amount of 'visual bling' to hide the fact that there are still 2D sprites present on forza tracks also will topple what is genuinely produced in GT to replicate accurately the tracks, cars, and physics.

Forza fans are far to quick to topple GT when without GT Turn 10 wouldn't have had any idea on how to even get into this game. Their smack talking attitude doesn't help and people that use reviews to back up their argument prove that its not about having a' great game' but 'a great game that finally kills GT'.

Sad, wonder what GT did to you? steal your lunch? lol
 
This made me laugh (The part I bolded). You do realise VirtualGT is just a place where you have a rig with a G25 setup and bunch of PC sim titles, well going by the video it is. They have upgraded the hardware going by the website images though. I think mainly top F1 teams have their own specialized simulator. Red Bull do use rFactor Pro so that would similar to the rFactor PC sim. Ferrari used NetKar Pro for Ferrari Virtual Academy.


Its delivered to your house, and can be as loud as a real car. It has incredible engineering. The point being, at this point its not down to the software as much, as you can find 'simulation software' sure enough, but you need the hardware that makes that software come alive.
 
Funny thing about this thread after reading posts in the GT5 forum, the obvious GT fans here that are posting just outright FALSE information but then throw in the big "IMO". I have ready MANY MANY posts in the GT5 forum from big time GT5 fans who were thoroughly disappointed with the original game and let down even more by 2.0 update. They get TORN apart by the "other" GT fans that apologize and seem to have PD on some pedestal.

O.. and those GT fans that are criticizing GT seem to never post in this section of gtplanet. Makes me wonder about the contrast of the "fans" behind either series.
 
Let's be honest here. If it wasn't for the ring, it would be something else. You played GT since the PS1 days so for you, the GT series feels natural. That's the real truth. You have nostalgia and emotion involvement with the series. You don't have that connection with Forza. Most gamers who own a playstation since the PS1 days have this hatred for anything Microsoft. If Forza was on PS3, I think that some members might see the game differently.

I am not emotionally attach to any device, I play on PC/PS3/X360. Whatever game that feel that gap. I love GTR/F1 2011 on PC, played GT5 to death and now it's Forza time. Who is the winner ? me.

That is downright wrong i didn't play Gt since PS1. I started with GT3 and it's just the ring nothing else. And why should i hate microsoft? I always prefered windows over apple. 90% of my games are on PC. And microsoft has sold me a lot of products. And i don't hate my X-Box at all. I even sold PS3 Bayonetta to get the superior X-Box Version. Like you, I enjoy to have the choice to choose and because the winner will be ME, just like you implemented. But in the Forza vs GT Case my winner is GT. Because I love the Nordschleife, Yamauchi loves it too and noone in PD seems to care that much for the track. It is shown clearly in the final product.
In this picture you see some cars from this years 24h race in the Karussell.
The yellow/green No18 car is this years winner the Manthey 911 RSR, The black and white GT-R is the car PD is sharing with us in the Spec II update, the N24 Schulze Motorsport. That is really great fanservice and shows his dedication to the track and the race.
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Wow, one of the best comments I have seen on this thread.👍
Best comments because the assumptions are simply wrong?
 

Please don't alter my postings, if you put them into a quote I believe this to be real rude and bad mannered and i guess it would be against forum rules too. And i believe that to also be some kind of act of desperation by someone who can't find better arguments.
 
Theres a lot to be said for that. No amount of 'visual bling' to hide the fact that there are still 2D sprites present on forza tracks also will topple what is genuinely produced in GT to replicate accurately the tracks, cars, and physics.

You can't be serious. Have you actually looked at any of the tracks in GT5 (the trees are just 2 layers laid perpendicular to each other)? How does one upgrade the ECU in a '69 Chevelle in real life? If the physics in GT5 are so accurate, why did they just release a patch changing them?

GT5 is a good representation, but far from accurate.
 
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