FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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MHPALA more time ?
The japanese car selection, it's a stamp from GT-series !
The DLC is no indication, of change of mentality ! If I recall correctly, Kaz has said that wasn't a fan of DLCs....
I trully believe Kaz had a vision, but hardware limitations gimped that vision...
 
The GT5 car pack DLC is really poor, although the Japanese bias is un-surprising. It's just RM versions of cars already in the game plus a few karts and a new red bull car (neither of which I care for).

I'm really pumped for the Spa-Francorchamps track, but otherwise Kaz needs to take a look at what car DLC should be about - adding cars that aren't already in the game, particularly latest models.
 
Yeah the car pack is very poor. A year wait for a few RM cars we dont need or care for?

Forza is getting at least 10 cars a month for a year.
 
Astro racer, you are not fooling anyone! Even the comments show your intentions....
Do you even have the Game ?

Yes, and I love it.

But I will NOT become of these guys who can't see flaws in anything.

When you reach that stage, you have failed in life. Get out more.

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You could have said only Yes ! Insecure ?
Please tell me, where did i said, that forza was perfect ?

If you are talking about devotion, the whole standard acceptance in GT series, describes what you've said....

Mildashers, i don't agree with the whole DLC once a month, but at least this time we can choose the cars we want.....
The Forza 3 DLC , had some ugly cars in some packs....
 
Pff, you didnt buy the LCE, your argument is null and void.


joooke

@GTForzafan

Turn10 have already said 10 cars a month DLC for a year. Makes sense, they did it with FM3.
 
Mildashers I know, i've bought all of them..... !
But in some car packs, there were fugly cars...
This time you can choose individually !

Astro-racer owning the game, doesn't really makes you less bias....
But I'm glad that you have the game.....
 
Did i stroke a nerve ? If it the hat fits you....
On the Neogaf thread you've already showed your true colours, but that's ok because that thread has that purpose of "measuring egos", this one has a purpose to debate, with people who've played both games, and have them....
Not using youtube videos to make judgements....
Your attitude of complaining about the Bias of the Gametrailers video, using false arguments tells it all....
You may continue with the "carefully selected" gifs ....

OMG you were? wow, talk of a clueless idiot. Carefully selected? seriously? my God. You just confirmed something i have been saying since, you lot don't want any good thing posted about GT5. Sure you will be happy if i did this:
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OMG you were? wow, talk of a clueless idiot. Carefully selected? seriously? my God. You just confirmed something i have been saying since, you lot don't want any good thing posted about GT5. Sure you will be happy if i did this:
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That is so cruel LOL:tup:
 
That picture Davery posted made me remember something I hated in GT5, and maybe someone can clue me in.

Why do they put the license plated on the car that say what car it is? Like the Primera. Its totally goofy looking, and it looks like a car at the dealer. It always bugged me to be behind a car and see the name on the plate.

Was it because they were talking about custom plates, so they have those as placeholders? Thats the only logical thing I could think of. Since its not going to happen, they would look so much better if they just removed them.
 
Daverytimes
Calm down....
It's only a game... insulting me gives you more power ?
And i've seen your comments on the other threads! I've pointed out, that your babbling about the Gametrailers video comparing the two games, it's based on false arguments....
The video shows, only a fair comparision, between the two games.... using more or less the same car and track and options....
Not one picture of autovista is used....
But you were very upset with that video... i Wonder why!

But carry on.... with your drivel....

By the way, it's not posting about good things about gt5.... It's ONLY posting the GOOD Stuff of gt5....
And discussing the pros and cons of each game, it's the purpose of this thread...

And to finish, I wouldn't be happy with you posting the standard models.... but it's a huge chunk of the car selection.... that's what upsets me, iconic cars being conversions of previous generation gts and psp versions....

I can also post pics of autovista models, they are breathtaking, but they are not the whole game...
 
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OMG you were? wow, talk of a clueless idiot. Carefully selected? seriously? my God. You just confirmed something i have been saying since, you lot don't want any good thing posted about GT5. Sure you will be happy if i did this:
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The point is that some folks in here like to pretend that that picture above was not part of GT5. They look at the gif you posted earlier and, much like you seemed to do, call it quits.

The picture above, though, is very much a part of GT5. It's not only a part of it, it's what the majority of it looks like.

You claim that the folks defending Forza in here don't want to hear anything good about GT5, but at the same time, you've been acting as if GT5 consists of nothing but premiums and all tracks looked as good as Spa. Which isn't the case.

Sure, looking at the standard might not be 'fair', in your opinion. Looking at the Gametrailers video, they picked one of the best looking standard cars there is. One out of, what, five cars? If they went by the numbers, they would've put five standard cars and a single premium car.

You can call people biased all you want. It is, in my opinion, pretty laughable to do so when you only seem to acknowledge standard cars when you're making spiteful comments. I mean, what's the big deal? GT5 is full of inconsistencies like that and no amount of gifs of Spa is going to change that. That, right there, is waht people have been saying for a while now, in here:

When at its best, GT5 is unmatched. You have to limit yourself to a pretty small portion of the content to even have a chance to expierence it at its best - and even then, it's not guaranteed. So, I don't get why you get upset when someone tells you exactly that. That you're focusing on GT5 at its best. Not what it is like on average.

And that, from my experience, is a track thaat looks decent, not overwhelmingly good, but decent, a good looking premium car you're driving yourself and a mixture of standards and premiums on the track, when there's the shadows, tearing, pixelation and framerate drops, too.

Forza, on the other hand, does match neither GT5's premium cars nor the 'premium' tracks, nor the lighting in best conditions. It does, however, not go as low as the standard cars. You won't find something of a quality this low in FM4, and neither will you notice issues like the dropped frame rates, the flicckering shadows or screen tearing. Only focusing on the best aspects of GT5 completely circumvents all of this.

And that is the point that has been brought up here. If GT5 was always like what you'ree seemingly implying, I guess most of us wouldn't be bothering with Forza. However, it doesn't. It doesn't do that, at all. So, don't be surpised to be called out on that.
 
Luminis, what do you expect from someone that posts selected gifs....
He is very upset with dealing with the facts....
We are all "Clueless idiots"....
When all arguments fail, a nice insult to give more reason...

GT5 has HQ models, HQ tracks, Day and night cycles, nice weather, Perfect Lighting, Nascar, Rally Tracks, Track editor
But also has Bad car sounds, poor ps2 tracks, the standard cars without cockpits ( or with 2.0 the blackdash thingy)
And users like him, want to ignore that part
 
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Forza looks really good, especially the auto vista cars, lots of really good tracks an cars to choose from, but why no open wheel? If forza did that then it would be even more amazing, its my own opinion as I really like these sorts of cars, just wonder why they could not sort the physics model to allow open wheel.
 
The point is that some folks in here like to pretend that that picture above was not part of GT5. They look at the gif you posted earlier and, much like you seemed to do, call it quits.

The picture above, though, is very much a part of GT5. It's not only a part of it, it's what the majority of it looks like.

You claim that the folks defending Forza in here don't want to hear anything good about GT5, but at the same time, you've been acting as if GT5 consists of nothing but premiums and all tracks looked as good as Spa. Which isn't the case.

Sure, looking at the standard might not be 'fair', in your opinion. Looking at the Gametrailers video, they picked one of the best looking standard cars there is. One out of, what, five cars? If they went by the numbers, they would've put five standard cars and a single premium car.

You can call people biased all you want. It is, in my opinion, pretty laughable to do so when you only seem to acknowledge standard cars when you're making spiteful comments. I mean, what's the big deal? GT5 is full of inconsistencies like that and no amount of gifs of Spa is going to change that. That, right there, is waht people have been saying for a while now, in here:

When at its best, GT5 is unmatched. You have to limit yourself to a pretty small portion of the content to even have a chance to expierence it at its best - and even then, it's not guaranteed. So, I don't get why you get upset when someone tells you exactly that. That you're focusing on GT5 at its best. Not what it is like on average.

And that, from my experience, is a track thaat looks decent, not overwhelmingly good, but decent, a good looking premium car you're driving yourself and a mixture of standards and premiums on the track, when there's the shadows, tearing, pixelation and framerate drops, too.

Forza, on the other hand, does match neither GT5's premium cars nor the 'premium' tracks, nor the lighting in best conditions. It does, however, not go as low as the standard cars. You won't find something of a quality this low in FM4, and neither will you notice issues like the dropped frame rates, the flicckering shadows or screen tearing. Only focusing on the best aspects of GT5 completely circumvents all of this.

And that is the point that has been brought up here. If GT5 was always like what you'ree seemingly implying, I guess most of us wouldn't be bothering with Forza. However, it doesn't. It doesn't do that, at all. So, don't be surpised to be called out on that.

Lumi you do know that it is against the AUP to accuse someone of something they are not doing, because of this i am going to ask you to provide evidence. If you do not do so i will report you on the basis of accusation with no evidence.


Daverytimes
Calm down....
It's only a game... insulting me gives you more power ?
And i've seen your comments on the other threads! I've pointed out, that your babbling about the Gametrailers video comparing the two games, it's based on false arguments....
The video shows, only a fair comparision, between the two games.... using more or less the same car and track and options....
Not one picture of autovista is used....
But you were very upset with that video... i Wonder why!

But carry on.... with your drivel....

By the way, it's not posting about good things about gt5.... It's ONLY posting the GOOD Stuff of gt5....
And discussing the pros and cons of each game, it's the purpose of this thread...

And to finish, I wouldn't be happy with you posting the standard models.... but it's a huge chunk of the car selection.... that's what upsets me, iconic cars being conversions of previous generation gts and psp versions....

I can also post pics of autovista models, they are breathtaking, but they are not the whole game...

As i pointed out to Lumi if you do not provide evidence for whatever you accuse someone of saying better be ready to face the consequences.

EDIT: Oh and this is how the conversation that you so pationately hold me for went down:
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Talk about bias, they even used autovista against showroom instead of showroom vs showroom. The video shows that Forza has really come a long way, but it still doesn't look natural.

Bloodworth
that's not autovista, it's just the normal car select

GTP_Daverytimes
Upon closer inspection it is, but they should have used something like this for better comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-KwHd-FmPQ&feature=related

Shot off-screen but you get the idea.

You better have something better.
 
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Lumi you do know that it is against the AUP to accuse someone of something they are not doing, because of this i am going to ask you to provide evidence. If you do not do so i will report you on the basis of accusation with no evidence.
My, my, are we out of arguments? Maybe I should be reporting you, too, for insulting people as clueless idiots, because that is against the AUP as well. Funny how you resort to the AUP when your own posts are breaking it, as soon as you're backed into a corner, it seems.

But, whatever. Go on, report me. I suppose you know fairly well that I'm right with what I'm saying, so that's what you resort to.


Talk about bias, they even used autovista against showroom instead of showroom vs showroom. The video shows that Forza has really come a long way, but it still doesn't look natural.
that's not autovista, it's just the normal car select
And you are insulting people as clueless idiots... Righto :lol:
 
So you are denying ? Why this doesn't surprise me at all ?
After the insults, the threats ?
I'll look up to your comments on the Neogaf thread....

Luminis thanks that's the comment ! Go back to your cave Daverytimes...
Maybe He forgot the non-sense...
 
My, my, are we out of arguments? Maybe I should be reporting you, too, for insulting people as clueless idiots, because that is against the AUP as well. Funny how you resort to the AUP when your own posts are breaking it, as soon as you're backed into a corner, it seems.

But, whatever. Go on, report me. I suppose you know fairly well that I'm right with what I'm saying, so that's what you resort to.




And you are insulting people as clueless idiots... Righto :lol:

I might call you the clueless idiot if you cannot even look up, Look up Lumi. I might even report you for trying to pass off half of the conversation so you can support your case :lol:.

EDIT: Oh btw i want you to provide evidence on the things you accused me of doing not what someone else accused me of doing, am dealing with him separately so you should focus on your own problems.

EDIT 2: backed into a corner? really Lumi? :boggled:, am speechless.
 
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I might call you the clueless idiot if you cannot even look up, Look up Lumi.
Yeah. Right. We get it, I guess - you've run out of arguments so you're starting petty fights.

Looking up your recent posts, it seems like just that. You're accusing people of being biased, accusing people of only wanting to hear bad stuff about GT5 and throw a tantrum when someone mentions that GT5 doesn't always look like that little gif you felt like posting a few pages ago.

By the way, there is a reason I used 'seemingly', 'it seems like', 'some folks' and other vague expressions in that post. The way you felt attacked by it speaks volumes, though. As they say, if the hat fits, wear it.

Personally, I am done with the off-topic argument at hand, with your petty quarreling and with yourself. If all you've left are some mindless insults and threats, that's hardly worth the 'effort' that goes into writing a post that consists of more than "no you!". So, as I said, go on and report me if it makes you feel good.

I'll say this, though, Davey: If you want to play the "Wah, wah, I'm gonna report you!" game, someone who's slinging insults does indeed stand on some very lose footing.


Play nicely please.
Will do, from now on. I said what I wanted to, anyways.
 
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Yeah. Right. We get it, I guess - you've run out of arguments so you're starting petty fights.

Looking up your recent posts, it seems like just that. You're accusing people of being biased, accusing people of only wanting to hear bad stuff about GT5 and throw a tantrum when someone mentions that GT5 doesn't look like that little give you felt like posting a few pages ago.

By the way, there is a reason I used 'seemingy', 'it seems like', 'some folks' and other vague expressions in that post. The way you gelt attacked by it speaks volumes, though. As they say, if the hat fits, wear it.

Personally, I am done with the off-topic argument at hand, with your petty quarreling and with yourself. If all you've left are some mindless insults and threats, that's hardly worth the 'effort' that goes into writing a post that consists of more than "no you!". So, as I said, go on and report me if it makes you feel good.

I'll say this, though, Davey: If you want to play the "Wah, wah, I'm gonna report you!" game, someone who's slinging insults does indeed stand on some very lose footing.

Oh Lumi, how the respected have falling. You start by accusing me of things i haven't done, the whole thread i have been neutral, offering criticism and praise were it's due for both games. You came in and accused me of being on one side of the fence, you accuse me of not seeing the bad things in GT5 while the whole thread i have been expressing the bad things that are in both games. You're friends insist that i am being selective of the gif that i posted, he asserts that:
Too bad ... gt5 isn't always like that....
Showing only the brightest examples, doesn't tell the whole story..... there is also the darker side of gt5....
If it was another game offering this .... i think the reactions would be very different....

To which i did not reply because he was right, but then after i made a reply to someone else:
The skybox is amazing in FM3, it's almost non-existent in FM4. The lightning in FM4 is leaps and bounds better than FM3 but it looks unnatural since everything looks pristine. Both lack the gritty look GT5 offers (With an overcast) so both still look a tad unrealistic.

He directed this statement at me:
Don't forget that forza 4 has different times of the day, for some tracks....

"Some of the tracks are available to race on at different times of day: Hockenheimring, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and Infineon Raceway (all of which make their series debut) can be raced at sunrise or during the day; Camino Viejo and Suzuka both have mid-day and sunset versions; and the Top Gear Test Track comes in normal and overcast flavors"
But i didn't expect anything else from you, for someone complaining about the Gametrailers comparision, saying that they are bias because of the autovista models used....
Do you even have the game ? The images used, are the car selection in the showroom. Autovista it's a stand-alone feature......
Spreading lies, isn't nice....

You may continue with the gifs, if it makes you happy!

I obviously thought it was a joke because i replied:

Please tell me you are not talking to me.

to which he sarcasticly said:
Did i stroke a nerve ? If it the hat fits you....
On the Neogaf thread you've already showed your true colours, but that's ok because that thread has that purpose of "measuring egos", this one has a purpose to debate, with people who've played both games, and have them....
Not using youtube videos to make judgements....
Your attitude of complaining about the Bias of the Gametrailers video, using false arguments tells it all....
You may continue with the "carefully selected" gifs ....

The above is what pissed me off, i saw a .gif that looked good and i decided to post it only to be insulted as to why i posted "Carefully selected gifs". You see the problem Lumi, while everybody else where marveling at how good the .gif looked i was being shot for posting it. Of-course at the end of it all you decide not to post any evidence and conclude by saying "go on and report me if it makes you feel good." One thing i hate is being falsely accused and you just shot yourself in the foot, next time look deeply into a discussion before replying.

EDIT: Oh and this discussion is closed.
 
That gif of gt5 looked amazing, that's true but in my opinion the game is not that much better than F4 as people tend to indicate here.There are some thing on the photos posted comparing the surrounding buildings on GT5 that just look wrong, mainly the textures but if i would do that i would be just nitpicking.In 3d the lighting is very very important, so when you make a comparison you should at least use the same lighting conditions , overcast for both etc. and not compare an overcast image with a sunny one, the materials will react differently.

As for the F4 materials, the shaders are pretty much up there, i know it was cool to say that F3 was arcadey and cartoony, well that time has gone, you can't say that again with a straight face, both games are on the simulation side even if less than their pc counterparts, but they are simulations.If i were to nitpick GT5 physics system, i would have to ask about tire pressure, tire flex, track temperature and how it affects the tires, all of these are important in racing, in fact it can dictate a win or a loss, but in the end the game is brilliant at what is supposed to do, same as F4 and i can't say is that much realistic than Forza, i've seen some impressive stuff on both.

As for the road glare some people here talk about, it depends on many things, i've seen it several times, in fact many roads around where i live can give this effect which is a pain in the ass, but it exists in real world, maybe they used it much in many tracks, maybe their specular maps used on the track surface have many rubber like material on the surface, i don't really know, but the game is brilliant, they both are actually.
 
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For me GT5 has its moments like no other. The first time Le Mans went into night during the race, I look up and see fireworks was one of coolest things I have ever seen in a racing game. I have not had that moment with Forza yet but I do hope to. Maybe that's what people mean with GT5 having a soul?
 
Tune a Sierra Cosworth to around 350bhp, upgrade brakes, suspension, gearbox, equip sports tyres, dial in a little oversteer in the setup and then take it to Dunsfold.

That was my :drool: :bowdown: moment tonight.
 
Tune a Sierra Cosworth to around 350bhp, upgrade brakes, suspension, gearbox, equip sports tyres, dial in a little oversteer in the setup and then take it to Dunsfold.

That was my :drool: :bowdown: moment tonight.

Mine was late brake diving into a corner overtaking a Z06, and fighting trying to keep it behind me for the last three corners of Motegi, in an underpowered, de-spoilered, nicely tuned, Evolution X.

Changing positions in a 3D Mugen Spec race for 5 laps

Fighting a Corvette Zr-1 for traction coming out of corners

Converting a mild, boring SC300 into a twin turbo, body kitted, TE-37 drifting weapon that actually sounds like it when I'm tearing it down at Kaido
 
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