SNAIL Tuner and Team Series III - S15 RM Challenge - Sign-ups Open

[Dragonwar233]

I'm with Joe here and think that His team has a major shot at winning because he is a good tuner and constructor which is part of this series. It's the drivers and it's the constructor.

However if one car does seem to have too much of an advantage, to the point that everybody wants to pick it with their first pick. Then I would say a ban might be necessary.

But to be honest I think Joe is a super good tuner so some of the advantage might be there.

 

[IceWarden]

Well you guys did all the work I had to watch and bite my nails the whole time.

Did the team that ran the Shelby win every race last season? I wasn't here so I have no idea. But if it did then maybe a ban would have been suggested then. If it didn't then it may be the combo of tuning and drivers. Hard to say...

 

[Jahgee]

Well you guys did all the work I had to watch and bite my nails the whole time.

Did the team that ran the Shelby win every race last season? I wasn't here so I have no idea. But if it did then maybe a ban would have been suggested then. If it didn't then it may be the combo of tuning and drivers. Hard to say...

Their drivers were both top class and the one won every race he didn't get disconnected from, so it has a winning pedigree in STaTS.

 

[Dragonwar233]

Well you guys did all the work I had to watch and bite my nails the whole time.

Did the team that ran the Shelby win every race last season? I wasn't here so I have no idea. But if it did then maybe a ban would have been suggested then. If it didn't then it may be the combo of tuning and drivers. Hard to say...

Dabney's signature has the link to the first season, you can look at the spreadsheets, it even contains fastest lap times. The team didn't win last season because of Mighty_Mopar's internet though, but they should of won. But they were the only team with two D1 drivers too, so that was a factor.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

And I have thought about starting to retire the winning car. Not only to keep that car from dominating over and over again, but to keep the car selection fresh.

Mind you, I think changing the classes up over time should do that, too. The Shelby is dominating in the SC class, but no one took it for the GT class.

And I do have to ask, is it dominating because it is so good, or because no one has found the car that is better.

We are all just scissor seeking rocks just trying to avoid the paper.

 

[dabneyd]

No, the Camaro is way faster than the pack.

 

[WiiFreak]

No, the Camaro is way faster than the pack.

This is true. At the start of the second race, I passed by 3 people before even reaching the first corner. It seems to have the best acceleration by far.

CSL did a fantastic job putting it together. However winning by over a minute isn't exactly fun for me or for the people I'm racing with. Unless the other teams cars improve a lot, I don't see anyone getting close to the pace I can run with the Camaro

 

[IceWarden]

No, the Camaro is way faster than the pack.

Haha.

I don't think you can add enough ballast to the Shelby make it work in GT. I like the idea of retiring cars BUT why don't you switch up the specs enough to make it a non-issue? Have SC and GT again but maybe specify other drivetrains for next season. Maybe 4WD, MR and FF can make an appearance in one class but not the other class? The options are limitless really. A lot of really great combos and tracks can be had for some fantastic racing. Another thing you could do is limit the PP of the cars in a class. I know that the Shelby has the highest...if you gave specs like 355hp/1300kg AND the car not exceed 490PP then we would be forced to detune the Shelby some to fit within the regs.

Plenty of options

 

[IceWarden]

I think that your dominance with the Camaro is more about you though. Those cars are all pretty equal...no freakishly fast cars. I put both of my D1 drivers on the car with the harder tires. 1) They wanted the harder tires and 2) I thought it might work out better that way. It turned out pretty well in the end.

BeRandom and the Ferrari got off to rough start in the first race with a few off road excursions but then recovered for a solid 3rd in the 2nd race after a couple of offs. Our team could have had more points if Rainmaker didn't drop out of both races.

Next week will be a whole different animal at Laguna.

 

[IceWarden]

However winning by over a minute isn't exactly fun for me or for the people I'm racing with. Unless the other teams cars improve a lot, I don't see anyone getting close to the pace I can run with the Camaro

The only way to know for sure is to put everyone on the track at the same time in one class of car. Right now all the best drivers are scattered amongst two classes. Put everyone on the same track in the same class and I highly doubt anyone would run away with it.

 

[Dragonwar233]

The only way to know for sure is to put everyone on the track at the same time in one class of car. Right now all the best drivers are scattered amongst two classes. Put everyone on the same track in the same class and I highly doubt anyone would run away with it.

The skill level is so scattered, we have beginners & almost aliens.

Wii what was your best lap, I want to see how I,can compare with the ferrari.

Joe could you pm me the Ferrari tune for Suzuka?

 

[WiiFreak]

Wii what was your best lap, I want to see how I,can compare with the ferrari.

2:04 flat. I wasn't pushing too hard though, so I think 2:03's are possible for me.

 

[IceWarden]

Gifted it to you.

Where can I get the replays?

 

[hillracing]

It doesn't translate to faster lap times though. I tested all this.

I tested all this stuff beforehand and chose my car based on all the track testing I did. Everyone else had the same resources so I'm not sure why Hill is testing others cars after the fact. I think the Shelby has the highest PP at the specs we tune as well. Add the wing and it's over 500pp. I tuned an S2000 Type V to these specs and it was 20PP lower. It's the way the game is. I'm not going to test a bunch of cars and pick the slowest car I tested, chose and tuned the cars to give my drivers the best possible chance of winning. I think we did pretty well on week 1. Week 2 brings new challenges and things could be completely different...but I hope not. A 1, 2 finish is what a tuner dreams of.

If you want everyone to drive equal cars then there happens to be a series for that if I remember correctly

The reason I started testing is I wanted to see if it really was the car. When someone pulls away from you when you are drafting them I think that's a sign that the car is way faster in a straight line. When you come on the straight ahead with no mistakes and the car goes from a car length behind to a car length ahead that's kind of fishy too. So I did the tests and found out it is that much faster in a straight line. I just think a car that is that much faster takes away from the fun of it. Literally 2 seconds faster than the field. We can credit some of that difference to the driver but I'm not usually that far off his pace in fact some places I've been as fast or faster. Anyways I'll just have to work harder for the next race. Just thinking for future series cars with an obvious advantage should be banned.

 

[tezgm99]

Not car-related, but can I just say that while it's nice to have people pop into the room to watch the racing, could you please join before the race starts and stay there? The little box that pops up is quite distracting :/

 

[Mrjones]

The reason I started testing is I wanted to see if it really was the car. When someone pulls away from you when you are drafting them I think that's a sign that the car is way faster in a straight line. When you come on the straight ahead with no mistakes and the car goes from a car length behind to a car length ahead that's kind of fishy too. So I did the tests and found out it is that much faster in a straight line. I just think a car that is that much faster takes away from the fun of it. Literally 2 seconds faster than the field. We can credit some of that difference to the driver but I'm not usually that far off his pace in fact some places I've been as fast or faster. Anyways I'll just have to work harder for the next race. Just thinking for future series cars with an obvious advantage should be banned.

That being said, the car ran last season & nothing was said. Also how far infront of 4th & 5th did you finish, cuz if i remember correct there were huge gaps through out the field. There is going to be disparity because all cars handle different, all drivers drive different & all tuners tune different. Plus add in the strategy of the tuners deciding what drivers he wants in what division, and i think that solves that. I'm all for changing things up to keep it equal, but not after the seasons started(every1 had there chance to run all the cars). I dont know how much time you spent with your tuner on your cars set-up, but our team spent quite a bit of time testing & PMing different results to each other & finally an hour before the race we all got together to fine tune things. Plus to say our cars better because its fast in a straight line is kinda funny to me, why dont you tell us how much better in the corners your car is?

 

[IceWarden]

I do want to mention that there are a ton of fast cars that COULD have been chosen but weren't. I tested a few cars that were on my list of candidates that other teams did not choose either. So there are plenty of other choices. To be honest I think you did a tremendous job with your car. The '69 Vette wasn't even on my list of cars to try...so good job for driving the feces out of it.

Just read Jones post...I agree

 

[hillracing]

That being said, the car ran last season & nothing was said. Also how far infront of 4th & 5th did you finish, cuz if i remember correct there were huge gaps through out the field. There is going to be disparity because all cars handle different, all drivers drive different & all tuners tune different. Plus add in the strategy of the tuners deciding what drivers he wants in what division, and i think that solves that. I'm all for changing things up to keep it equal, but not after the seasons started(every1 had there chance to run all the cars). I dont know how much time you spent with your tuner on your cars set-up, but our team spent quite a bit of time testing & PMing different results to each other & finally an hour before the race we all got together to fine tuning things. Plus to say our cars better because its fast in a straight line is kinda funny to me, why dont you tell us how much better in the corners your car is?

You have a point. I was more thinking of looking at how to improve it for next season than changing things this season. I really like the idea of this championship. I think we'd all enjoy it more if the cars running in it were similar speed and no one car had a major advantage. I did a bunch of testing also. Which is why my car was so good in the corners. Your car was pretty strong in the corners too. Anywho on to next week. I guess I should say challenge accepted.

 

[Jahgee]

Speaking of testing hill, I had to put a movie on for my family, so I can't test for now. Can you go and test on Laguna Seca for now with your Suzuka setup and tell me how the car feels and such.

 

[hillracing]

Breaking in a car but then I will do that.

 

[Jahgee]

breaking in a car but then i will do that.

ok

 

[dabneyd]

Pics from last night!

WiiFreak and TURBO91stdCIVIC

Soren535

dabneyd

mighty_mopar

GTP_BeRandom and Rainmakersars

diabolicwyvern

Turn 1, lap 1

A spectator catches Soren535 in the dirt on cold tires

Trying to catch WiiFreak

TURBO91stdCIVIC learns how much power his car has

The leader gets a fresh set

mighty_mopar, getting tires

The Aston Martin pit crew gets no break

Tires are on, go!

mighty_mopar goes wide and I slip by

Almost out of tires

That's race 1, more to come from race 2!

 

[IceWarden]

How can I get the replays from yesterday?

 

[diabolicwyvern]

I want to apologize for being polite which caused an accident between turbo and I very very very early in race 2. The Camaro was on me so fast heading into turn 1 lap two that I checked up to let him by. He appeared to check up right back (very kind you him) and I thought, no, go its okay. Then I finally did and my vette touched the grass and I took us out. Seeing as how we get a week to toss (and how I was lapped on 5) I bailed. Anyone curious about the camaro should watch the first 30 seconds of race 2.

 

[Soren535]

I want to apologize for being polite which caused an accident between turbo and I very very very early in race 2. The Camaro was on me so fast heading into turn 1 lap two that I checked up to let him by. He appeared to check up right back (very kind you him) and I thought, no, go its okay. Then I finally did and my vette touched the grass and I took us out. Seeing as how we get a week to toss (and how I was lapped on 5) I bailed. Anyone curious about the camaro should watch the first 30 seconds of race 2.

Poor turbo, things got a little worse for him after that. I was a little ways behind you guys flying down the straight and didn't realize the mess that waited for me at turn 1. Turbo was just collecting himself when I was hitting my braking point and under hard braking wasn't able to clear around him. Heavy damage to the both of us, lucky for us we had JUST passed pit lane and got to limp around for an entire lap.

edit: Turbo, I meant to ask... what the hell happened to you on the back straight approaching 130r? You were right on my tail looking like you were about to make a pass, next glance back you were going sideways into a wall

 

[CSLACR]

This is true. At the start of the second race, I passed by 3 people before even reaching the first corner. It seems to have the best acceleration by far.

CSL did a fantastic job putting it together. However winning by over a minute isn't exactly fun for me or for the people I'm racing with. Unless the other teams cars improve a lot, I don't see anyone getting close to the pace I can run with the Camaro

I was afraid of this, and I can tell you guys for the most part the CSL isn't any slower for it's spec, but probably faster.
I'm game for ways around it, but to be blunt about it, some of the cars chosen for this series are terrible. (For competitive spec racing)

Honestly, I think the easiest solution is for other teams to re-evaluate their car choice, I mean, I can pick 2 more cars, but cars like the standard AM V12 Vanquish don't stand a chance against much anything.
Example:
That's the Aston Martin getting beaten by 6 seconds around Indy Road by an Audi R8 on the same RM tires...With 300 less horsepower than the Aston.

Basically all I'm saying is I've been down this road somewhat, and we could try to ban cars that are too fast, but it's a lot harder than just picking fast cars.

I also heard my CSL drivers didn't show, not sure how it works if half a team goes awol before the first race... Drivers can be replaced I assume? I could probably make these races, even though it wasn't my original intention I am typically free and playing GT5 at race time.

Great pics dabnyed:tup:

Grats on the wins Wii and good finishes Turbo.👍

 

[jtqmopar]

Gifted it to you.

Where can I get the replays?

Seconded, where can the replays be found?

 

[IceWarden]

I do agree the M3 CSL stands a better chance against the Shelby than a '69 Vette. The CSL was next on my list of car choices even though it had to be literally squeezed in to meet the regs. I do not, however, believe that the Camaro is a overpowered car. I believe the Ferrari and a couple of other cars not chosen are as fast or faster in equal hands.

Bottom line is choose your cars and drivers wisely because you are stuck with them for a month

 

[CSLACR]

I do agree the M3 CSL stands a better chance against the Shelby than a '69 Vette. The CSL was next on my list of car choices even though it had to be literally squeezed in to meet the regs. I do not, however, believe that the Camaro is a overpowered car. I believe the Ferrari and a couple of other cars not chosen are as fast or faster in equal hands.

Bottom line is choose your cars and drivers wisely because you are stuck with them for a month

Squeezed?
All I had to do was not change the oil on a new one.
Did the same thing to the Camaro to fit a supercharger.

While I do agree with your post, I doubt that makes it more fun for a driver running endlessly in first with almost 0% chance of losing.

I'm going to send these 2 drivers CSL's now anyway, so maybe Wii can find more competition in that class if he desires.

 

[IceWarden]

We as Constructors are still going to look for the best tool to put in the hands of our drivers. Constructors don't care about parity. We try to create the best tool for our drivers.

And in turn our drivers don't want the funnest car to drive that finishes dead last. They want to win.

Still not sure of the solution. Feels like F1. One team dominates, all cry foul, governing body makes new rules to create parity. Rinse and repeat.