The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10
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People were asking similar questions when Williams was getting ready to replace Hulkenberg with Maldonado. Money talks, talent walks.
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Who says there's only one seat available at Lotus?
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Or that Alonso's staying at Ferrari? Joe Saward has his doubts.
I should think the combination of Total money and management by Boullier (can you say 'conflict of interest,' boys and girls?) makes Grosjean safe as long as he's not crashing the car.
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Welcome back Iceman. We missed you.
Now, time to kick some RB a$$
at least on Constructors.
Let's do this!
He doesn't drink a lot, he just think water is only good for showers, washmachines, gardening and.. wetting some tits!
Andrea Stella: "Ok Kimi, Fernando is.."
Iceman: "Oh, don't try to tell me that spaniard is faster than me, I have a Gorilla mask on my wagon, just leave me alone I know what I'm doing"
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If Alonso was going, they wouldn't have got rid of Massa. I don't think they'd want a completely different driver line-up.
So have Fiat given up on the Brazilian market?
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Nothing special? What about setting pole in a the wet in a Williams in 2011? Almost finishing on the podium and leading the race for a good while in the wet in Brazil in 2012 as well as scoring so much in 2012 with FI and qualifying 3rd, finishing 5th in a Sauber! at Monza this year?
I think it's no question whether they'd take Hulkenberg over Massa. Massa would probably demand too much money as well. No way they should take him, too old, on the decline. He needs to go to a team that's trying to get on its feet/have a steady benchmark Rubens style in order to be desirable and useful. There's also the fact that if he's gone, there'd be no Brazilian driver, and Brazilian broadcasters won't have that, and Bernie knows it, so I'm sure he'll have a hand in making sure Massa stays. Trust me, he'll be there next year.
I'm gonna miss the guy at Ferrari, but his time's been up for two years now, Ferrari could've done so well if they had picked up someone else earlier.
And it looks like the feeling I had about Alonso not wanting to stay at Ferrari if the Iceman returned could end up being true. Kinda sucks, really wish Alonso would pull his head out of his ass sometimes.
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If they confirmed Massa once again, a revolution would break out. General opinion in Italy is it was time for a change regardless Fiat interest.
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You get measured by how you perform against teammates and he started his F1 career by being beaten soundly by old man Barrichello (which is no embarrassment, Rubens was always fast, even at the end). Since, he's beaten shaky benchmarks in Di Resta and Gutierrez, so we really have no idea how good he is. There's no evidence that he's faster than Massa, Nico still has to prove himself against a proper benchmark driver. I do hope he gets the chance next year to do so.
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Honestly, the only times I've actually noted down Hulkenberg's name was his pole in 2011 which, let's face it, was purely down to luck. And this weekend in Monza. That's two times in 3 seasons his name has drawn my attention. Nothing special really. Exactly in the same way how Maldonado has scored one victory, and outside of that pretty much done nothing but upsetting people and costing his team money.
Compare that to one Vettel who scores his first point in his debut race, winning a race in his second season in a vastly underwhelming car, scoring 35 points in his second season, and almost becoming a world champion in his third season. Just to put this all into perspective.
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As a brazilian, is very sad to me even imagine a F1 season without a brazilian driver. It would be the first since Emerson Fittipaldi in 1970. And this only shows the utter collapse of the motorsports here, which makes me even more sad because i know that we gonna need another Emerson to rediscover the way to get to Formula 1 like he did.
That being said, i think that Massa have to think about what he is and what he cares. If he only sees Formula 1 as a proper racing, ok, lets go to Lotus or Sauber be the another extra to the main show, and spend the next years slowly dieing as a racing driver.
If he cares about win, do something meaningful on the sport, i think that the next best thing would be the WEC. There is space there and as far as I know, there is free cockpits on Porsche.
Porsche will really push hard on WEC for years to come, he is relatively young for endurance series and Le Mans never saw a brazilian winner.
But i bet that he will stay on Formula 1 just because is the only thing that the majority of brazilian drivers sees.
That being said, i think that Massa have to think about what he is and what he cares. If he only sees Formula 1 as a proper racing, ok, lets go to Lotus or Sauber be the another extra to the main show, and spend the next years slowly dieing as a racing driver.
If he cares about win, do something meaningful on the sport, i think that the next best thing would be the WEC. There is space there and as far as I know, there is free cockpits on Porsche.
Porsche will really push hard on WEC for years to come, he is relatively young for endurance series and Le Mans never saw a brazilian winner.
But i bet that he will stay on Formula 1 just because is the only thing that the majority of brazilian drivers sees.
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And Benson now says Kimi-to-Ferrari is happening.
Plus a fairly priceless tweet:
Andrew Benson @andrewbensonf1
So, Ferrari in 2014. Alonso. Raikkonen. Rory Byrne. James Allison. Pat Fry. Pots of cash. Let's hope the engine's OK, huh?
Plus a fairly priceless tweet:
Andrew Benson @andrewbensonf1
So, Ferrari in 2014. Alonso. Raikkonen. Rory Byrne. James Allison. Pat Fry. Pots of cash. Let's hope the engine's OK, huh?
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Hulkenburg's talent is proven by how many races he has starred at the front in midfield cars. He's done it at Williams (Brazil 2010), Force India (Belgium, Korea, Brazil 2012) and Sauber (China, Italy).
He very almost won Force India's first ever race in a straight fight against 2 McLarens.
He has done more than enough to warrant a top seat chance..certainly a lot more than say Perez and Grosjean, never mind about Maldonado, Di Resta, Ricciardo, Sutil etc.
He very almost won Force India's first ever race in a straight fight against 2 McLarens.
He has done more than enough to warrant a top seat chance..certainly a lot more than say Perez and Grosjean, never mind about Maldonado, Di Resta, Ricciardo, Sutil etc.
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Standards this high and you bring D'ambrosio's name into the picture?
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Maldonado is the perfect counter-example. He's won one race and not much else. He's still not a very convincing candidate.
Hulk has at least shown his speed on numerous occasions now in wildly different levels of machinery.
Having said that, I'd give Maldonado a chance too before Di Resta, Sutil, etc. It's just I rate Hulk a lot higher.
Hulk has at least shown his speed on numerous occasions now in wildly different levels of machinery.
Having said that, I'd give Maldonado a chance too before Di Resta, Sutil, etc. It's just I rate Hulk a lot higher.
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The Sauber is not exactly a rocket ship either.
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Awh, and here was me hoping he'd follow Webber...
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Official?
Notice how Benson doesn't provide a source, and specifically says it'll be announced imminently, so until it's announced by Ferrari themselves, it's absolutely not official.
That's not to say it's not 99% there, but yeah, still need that last bit to call it full.
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Just heard about the Kimi transfer. Should be pretty good for him, he's an excellent driver, and Ferrari will benefit from having him and Alonso, so long as they get along and Ferrari don't try any stupid team tactics or try to put one driver above the other.
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Massa to Lotus anyone perhaps? Just speculating...
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I'd love it if Massa moved to the WEC. The more ex F1 drivers in it the better publicity it gets.
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