Update 1.15 now available

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MonoTonouS
Did I say he wasn't?
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Did I say you did?
MonoTonouS
My entire post still stands and is still applicable, top players of old iterations complain when a new game comes out in most competitive games due to any changes. when SFV came out, the old guy's made the game seem like dog **** but SFV kept growing.

The only valid metric is player participation, not a disgruntled prior iteration champ who dislikes the new format or changes, he is biased. It is too early to tell if this new series is going to be a success or a flop.
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Valerio Gallo could - and should - be considered an expert in Gran Turismo Sport and Gran Turismo 7. If he has concerns, they should be treated with a degree more seriousness than a general axe-grinder (who of course may also be right).

Here, ask him if he's a "disgruntled prior iteration champ who dislikes the new format": @Valerio Gallo
 
MonoTonouS
My entire post still stands and is still applicable, top players of old iterations complain when a new game comes out in most competitive games due to any changes. when SFV came out, the old guy's made the game seem like dog **** but SFV kept growing.
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One at least has the thought that Capcom cares enough about the optics of its pros and top level players pointing out the problems with the game's netcode or lobby system that they would work to fix it as soon as possible in order to keep the competitive community alive.

We have seen it very clearly the past three months that Polyphony barely cares about the wider player base, let alone the pros that they used as AI opponents, with their concerns about the game's online component. So no wonder Gallo took to Twitter.
 
Man, I was having an absolute blast with this game and then they went and ruined the FFB. Using a TS-XW with DriveHub (which the game perceives as T-GT) and at 10-10 I can barely feel anything. I mean it's driveable, and the detail is there on hard cornering and I can still feel enough to catch a slide, but I really do hope there's a hotfix.
 
Beezer215
The game has no temps whatsoever. It's a gimmick. Your tires spin, the icon turns red, nothing more. There are no track temps, tire temps, brake, engine temps, tire pressures. The game doesn't do temps.
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It definitely does do some temperature simulation, you can feel the difference if you do an endurance race in a track that can go pretty late into the night. In time trials (and time trials only from what I've seen) you can also check the current temperature of the track on the pre-race screen. Though I feel like if they did anything more than a really basic simulation they'd display it somewhere since they love showing off that stuff.
 
AutumnalGlow
So the "adjustments" actually made it worse.

I have no hope for custom races at this point. It's clear that Polyphony has no intention of making them a viable way to play the game.
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I think they're doubling-down on making it more of a grind. Payouts for the new races are fairly low and CRB is very easy to lose from as little as the AI lightly brushing into you.... It says in the notes that new Hagerty pricing is going to start at the next update (not sure if that means when it refreshes in a few hours or the August date they mentioned) so if they've ever thought about pushing cars above 20mil, apparently now will be that time. I did notice a lot of cars have the up arrow on them in the LCD that didn't before (pretty sure the C2 Vette had a down arrow...) so yeah, it's just getting worse.

I expected the update to be a massive disappointment, but didn't think they'd actually fix the Tomahawk glitch. There's LESS for me to do now than there was a day ago, lol. GT7 reeks of dead game
 
Famine
Did I say you did?

Valerio Gallo could - and should - be considered an expert in Gran Turismo Sport and Gran Turismo 7. If he has concerns, they should be treated with a degree more seriousness than a general axe-grinder (who of course may also be right).

Here, ask him if he's a "disgruntled prior iteration champ who dislikes the new format": @Valerio Gallo
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Just out of curiosity what does a pro esports player know about making games more fun & more enjoyable, than a regular person?

ESports players are not some super intelligent human beings that are successful in vast areas of life & geniuses. Most of them are extremely good at that one skill, & know very little about anything else going on in the world, similar to athletes.

I'd trust the feedback of an entire community over one pro all day, because a community gives you a far wider breadth of information from different backgrounds (think of all the analysts, mathematicians, psychologists, gaming industry workers) that play these games. Destiny is a good example of that, it's never the streamers & pro players solving the issues of the game... Their suggestions were almost always awful & self-serving, looking at ways that help them to continue dumping on the community for content, as opposed to ways to legitimately improve the game.

Anyway the thing that's the most annoying is simply that PD are so god damn lazy & incompetent, they don't have their own forums as a specific way for their community to give them feedback. That to me is one of the most obvious solutions out there... So many games have done it over the years, with Bungie.net being a good example, or DCforums for DCUO when it was under Sony (that was the best example).

If they just created their own forum, a legitimate way for us to submit suggestions & get across the real issues that WE as a collective userbase have with the game, instead of only a few elites who know absolutely nothing except how to find the last tenth out of the track, then I think the game would start to move in the right direction.

Until they look for a good way to open communication both ways with us, this game is going nowhere anytime soon.

Also one thing I wanted to ask, did you find out if the game shows the DR scores now, did you confirm it as I saw sometime earlier you said it might be showing?
 
RavenR
Just out of curiosity what does a pro esports player know about making games more fun & more enjoyable, than a regular person?

ESports players are not some super intelligent human beings that are successful in vast areas of life & geniuses. Most of them are extremely good at that one skill, & know very little about anything else going on in the world, similar to athletes.
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And, therefore, one should trust them on topics in that specific area. If @Valerio Gallo has concerns over the esports area of the game, or things directly affecting it (BOP, the change to FFB in 1.15), I'd pay more attention to him than most other players.

The same applies to @TRL LIGHTNING, @1gorFraga, @Tidgney, @Adam41, and other top-tier players. Hell, you should pay more attention to them in that regard than you'd pay to me.

If we're talking about other things, sure, a wider community perspective is a good idea.
RavenR
PD ... communication
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The problem here is that everything going into or coming out of PD goes through a filter at PlayStation Studios. Social media posts have an additional layer of insulation, as they're all made by external social media specialists (except maybe the Kaz_Yamauchi account, but that will also have PS vetting).

Any concept of PD communicating directly with anyone is basically a non-starter. There have been attempts: the Kaz Q&A forum here, the "Inside Line" blog, and they even hired a community liaison (who I'm sure would have some great stories if he weren't wrapped up in NDAs to his grave). But they all have to pass through PlayStation.
RavenR
Also one thing I wanted to ask, did you find out if the game shows the DR scores now, did you confirm it as I saw sometime earlier you said it might be showing?
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No. Irritatingly I can't check other people's profiles, and the other accounts I can check don't add up.
 
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Famine
And, therefore, one should trust them on topics in that specific area. If @Valerio Gallo has concerns over the esports area of the game, or things directly affecting it (BOP, the change to FFB in 1.15), I'd pay more attention to him than most other players.

The same applies to @TRL LIGHTNING, @1gorFraga, @Tidgney, @Adam41, and other top-tier players. Hell, you should pay more attention to them in that regard than you'd pay to me.

If we're talking about other things, sure, a wider community perspective is a good idea.

The problem here is that everything going into or coming out of PD goes through a filter at PlayStation Studios. Social media posts have an additional layer of insulation, as they're all made by external social media specialists (except maybe the Kaz_Yamauchi account, but that will also have PS vetting).

Any concept of PD communicating directly with anyone is basically a non-starter. There have been attempts: the Kaz Q&A forum here, the "Inside Line" blog, and they even hired a community liaison (who I'm sure would have some great stories if he weren't wrapped up in NDAs to his grave). But they all have to pass through PlayStation.

No. Irritatingly I can't check other people's profiles, and the other accounts I can check don't add up.
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Fair, I didn't see it was specifically about BoP concerns that you were talking about with the eSports guys. I have no problem whatsoever if they want to use eSport guys as a way to fine tune the physics or balance amongst the cars, I think it'd be a good idea.
Where I'd have an issue is if they start using those guys to dictate the direction the game goes in as far as an actual engaging video game.

I talked to a few of those guys on their live streams the other night, & these guys actually believe spending $1000 on Gran Turismo is a better investment of money than spending that same money buying a visa to go and live/work in a new country/culture, which is embarrassing tbh. So there's no way I'd want their perspective guiding the direction of something that is meant to be an enjoyable distraction from the realities of life, as opposed to a second job, or absolute massive money sink.

The point about the playstation pass through is confusing though, because when DCUO had their forums, it was directly a Sony thing, SCEA if i remember correctly. I would've assumed they had the same issues with Playstation pass through? Although their setup was amazing... They had multiple test servers for the bright minds to go & test every element of updates before they went live & pro players. They also had a fantastic community team that would run community events a couple of times a month, silly things like meeting up with the community in open world areas & spawning in as a gigantic boss or something. Or putting on god mode & smacking players in 1 vs 1s, just silly stuff, & then obviously time limited events that would net you unique in game things.

Idk, it's just so disappointing that the lines of communication between us as the players, & the dev team at PD is so obfuscated. it makes it impossible to voice what we really want & know that they're listening to us, which judging by the latest update they clearly are not because Custom Lobbies & BoP are arguably the top priority issues for most people right now.

Also thats annoying, I really wish we could see DR score again, being able to track all my stats on Kudosprime is something that always appealed to the data driven side of me.
 
I just noticed, one thing I do like in the update is that you can now see the entire leaderboard for sport mode events which is cool because I can look for the top times for different cars I want to try, instead of only a top 10.

Also being able to see my own position & just how bad I am is nice, top 1000 is something I guess.
 
Silver Arrows
And just for kicks, one of the threads in said forum's first page:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...o-convince-the-masses-to-purchase-gt7.318443/

A thread from nearly a decade ago somehow still is able to ring true with the problems GT continues to face, and that Polyphony has not bothered to fix in the intervening time.

Boy, that sure reminds me of another game...
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I remember that thread! Wow!

As it turned out, he convinced the masses to buy it through outright lies and deception! who'd have thought?
 
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MonoTonouS
Also from his post, it seems he is upset about people COMPLAINING about GranTurismo 7, he finds it demotivational to hear that the game has issues and is not enjoying hearing anything but that, not the game itself.
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Here is Steve, also "upset about people Complaining about Gran turismo 7"


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The concerns of Gallo and Steve are not the concerns of this forum.

They play Sport Mode, with Gallo being one of the faces of the franchise, and the problems they're having are problems with Sport Mode itself, as you can read from Gallo's "we all know what happened in the last few races", meaning it may have had something to do with broken penalties and BoP. And of course the FFB update, which was divisive.

The problem is that the usual trolls jump into the bandwagon and start bringing up things that, frankly, are non-issues. The microtransactions are useless now, the roulettes while annoying aren't much more than a nuisance, the lack of events means nothing if people keep doing the same ones because they can't stand earning 1.2 million/hour instead of 1.6 million/hour. Their specialty is nitpick. The only glaring omission I see from PD is the inability to sell cars, which is advertised with the game but non existent, but even this ability has little impact, especially if they implement it in the half assed way they did it in Sport.

Thus, indeed the e-sports stars' concerns matter much more than ours. Which will make this upcoming GT World Series event all the more interesting. I'm sure there'll be much debate over these issues.

I think the campaign should've been more complete at launch, but in Kaz's mind they probably want to make "themed" updates and use the Café as a "taste" of the new cars. But, in the grand scheme of things, continued support for a single player campaign only makes sense in the form of large expansions, like the NASCAR expansion for FM6. Some of the Café events are cool, but they're not the kind of thing that makes players come back, unless they come with PSN trophies.

Still, the beauty of live service is that you can always save the game. The question is, is PD up to it? Do they have Sony's backing for it?
 
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Beezer215
This meal is solid. Tastes like crap, it's cold and it has bugs in it but it's solid.
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I wouldn't liken GT7 to this at all. It isn't fine dining from a Michelin Star restaurant and perhaps it's a bit undercooked but in all honesty it could be a whole lot worse.
Edu Pons
For those who say we are ungrateful pessimists…
Valerio Gallo:
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Let's jump on this bandwagon so we can make a change for the better again.
 
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HyperSpeeder
The concerns of Gallo and Steve are not the concerns of this forum.
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Yes they are, considering that Polyphony still believes the eSports aspect of GT7 is a major enough portion of the game. And considering the fact that they are ultimately still players of the game, just a higher level...absolutely, they are a concern of this forum, considering that in some cases, GT is their livelihood. What matters to this forum matters to them, and vice versa, because many of their problems ultimately revolve around stuff that filters back down to things that the common player is having issues with. Mainly, private lobbies being a former shell of themselves in GT Sport, and connection problems and moronic design choices aplenty.

HyperSpeeder
The problem is that the usual trolls jump into the bandwagon and start bringing up things that, frankly, are non-issues.
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This could apply absolutely to you too, but you would just ignore it to bleat on about it as you're want to do in another thread.

HyperSpeeder
The microtransactions are useless now
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No they aren't lmfao. They're still absolutely an issue that Polyphony has ignored - something that most other developers at least took care to eliminate when the micro-transaction heat came to them. And considering the prize amounts for the latest events and menu books added, they very much seem to be trial ballooning bringing the rewards back down to launch values now that the heat has died off.

HyperSpeeder
Still, the beauty of live service is that you can always save the game. The question is, is PD up to it? Do they have Sony's backing for it?
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At least you're willing to admit that Polyphony might not have the best idea on how to run a live service game! But considering what has been shown the past three months, you can definitely make a solid argument that no, Polyphony aren't up to it.
 
"The community" doesn't know what it's talking about most of the time.

Hey, what shoulld we name this boat?
 
ScottPye20
but in all honesty it could be a whole lot worse.
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It could? How? This is the worst. I bought Gran Turismo in 1997. I liked it. By the second one I was hooked.
We are in the worst right now. In terms of a new game being launched, I'd say so. Not talking 5 years from now.
They could have remastered 4-5-6 and we would have been better off. Opinion obviously. I like the old school feel of the game. Not the new direction. We all knew when 5 came out they were going to do their own thing. And when 6 came out, we then realized that they weren't going to follow the technological advances that were being made in sim racing. They were going to continue on their path but 6 had the tracks and content. 6 had races, stuff to do. The economy didn't feel like a grind. After a reasonable while, I had most of the cars. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a numbered Gran Turismo launched as bad as this.
 
Beezer215
It could? How? This is the worst. I bought Gran Turismo in 1997. I liked it. By the second one I was hooked.
We are in the worst right now. In terms of a new game being launched, I'd say so. Not talking 5 years from now.
They could have remastered 4-5-6 and we would have been better off. Opinion obviously. I like the old school feel of the game. Not the new direction. We all knew when 5 came out they were going to do their own thing. And when 6 came out, we then realized that they weren't going to follow the technological advances that were being made in sim racing. They were going to continue on their path but 6 had the tracks and content. 6 had races, stuff to do. The economy didn't feel like a grind. After a reasonable while, I had most of the cars. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a numbered Gran Turismo launched as bad as this.
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It could have worse sounds, worse physics, worse customisation and worse graphics. To be honest I'm having more fun with GT7 than GT5 and GT6 because it IS better in the 4 areas mentioned above, which I believe are the most important. Could it have more cars? More events? Sure, but it isn't a complete mess and a long way from "the worst" GT game. That honours goes to GT Sport.
 
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