2014 Grand Prix du Canada

[Lizard]

It says Bahrain.

Oh right.

 

[Samus]

Came here to post just that. Absolute BS .

Seriously, what the huck is wrong with you FIA?

"The Force India driver was given a five-place grid penalty by the stewards, who judged he caused the collision by “changing his racing line” moments before the impact."

Can't really disagree, he did move across.

 

[GTPorsche]

There was a clear move to the left just as Massa begins to make the move on him.

 

[05XR8]

Came here to post just that. Absolute BS .

Seriously, what the huck is wrong with you FIA?

They got It on tape.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Came here to post just that. Absolute BS .

Seriously, what the huck is wrong with you FIA?

Watch this and you'll change your mind, pretty obvious who was in the wrong.

https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I kinda feel that they both moved towards each other, and there was plenty of space over on the left. At the same time though, I can see why Massa was caught out by that.

I don't think I would have punished either driver to be fair, they both moved towards each other and both lost out as a result.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I kinda feel that they both moved towards each other, and there was plenty of space over on the left. At the same time though, I can see why Massa was caught out by that.

I don't think I would have punished either driver to be fair, they both moved towards each other and both lost out as a result.

Problem is I wonder if Perez was moving because he saw an opening on Vettel since he was closing the gap to him through the straight. He too seemed eager, and saw a podium spot which he hadn't had for more than a year. Massa saw more points. I also agree with what others have said. Massa was overly eager the last 6 or 7 laps when he realized he was the faster car on the track and could potentially drive up and win. He had horrible turn out exits and missed his apexs all over and thus to the point when Vettel screwed up he (Massa) couldn't capitalize on it.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Problem is I wonder if Perez was moving because he saw an opening on Vettel since he was closing the gap to him through the straight.

I thought something similar looking at that last angle. It looked more like Perez was going to make a move on Vettel but Massa was already there. I'd personally say racing incident.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I thought something similar looking at that last angle. It looked more like Perez was going to make a move on Vettel but Massa was already there. I'd personally say racing incident.

Same. I think both drivers saw an opening and both were making a move. I don't really see how it was block attempt by Perez, so I thought it'd be a racing incident myself.

 

[GTPorsche]

Massa moving to the right is just him following the track direction as it curves to the right there. Perez started going straight just as Massa closes up on him, which caused the collision.

 

[IforceV8]

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...-from-hospital-following-their-dramatic-crash

Speaking via a Force India press release, Perez commented: "On the final lap I was defending my position going into turn one when I suddenly got hit from behind. It was a big impact, but I am okay. I'm really sad for the team because we had an amazing race today and the one-stop strategy was working perfectly.

 

[Peter.]

Shoutout to the race director today, great job today. Thanks for showing me 20 seconds of Gutierrez retiring his car after being lapped while there was a 4 way battle for the lead going on, so glad I didn't miss that.

 

[Samus]

Shoutout to the race director today, great job today. Thanks for showing me 20 seconds of Gutierrez retiring his car after being lapped while there was a 4 way battle for the lead going on, so glad I didn't miss that.

It's the same one that has been doing it all season, bar Monaco. I don't know who it is but between random garage shots instead of action and taking about 3 weeks to pick up on a yellow incident they've been awful throughout.

 

[adam46]

I enjoyed the race, but I feel the final chicane is a problem.

I believe this is the solution; put some TecPro barriers there. They aren't hard, so there's no safety issue, but they'll prevent chicane cutting.



RED: TecPro

Grey: Me editing where it should be, IMO.

 

[CinnamonOD]

I think it'd just bring a red flag everytime someone crashes into those barriers, if placed in any of both areas

 

[MHPALA]

Finally, someone did it:

 

[LancerEvo7]

Why not use that stuff at Paul Ricard that kills your tires when you hit it?

 

[adam46]

Why not use that stuff at Paul Ricard that kills your tires when you hit it?

Very good point!

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

My vote goes for pools of glue. Effective at slowing both corner cutters and accidents.

 

[Milouse]

One question, what the hell was with the one cameraman filming at the crowd after the cars and what the hell with the director choosing the crowd reaction cameras when Mercedes were battling it out. Completely unnecessary.

The director have clearly choosen the wrong spot on the line
(let's just do the job)----------------------X--("Look! I'm an artist!")
The worst part is that he did this during important actions all the time, like he does not care at all for F1.

 

[Lizard]

I enjoyed the race, but I feel the final chicane is a problem.

I believe this is the solution; put some TecPro barriers there. They aren't hard, so there's no safety issue, but they'll prevent chicane cutting.



RED: TecPro

Grey: Me editing where it should be, IMO.

The idea of the run off is so if someone makes a mistake they can carry on racing. With your solution you just added about 5 safety cars to each race.

 

[adam46]

The idea of the run off is so if someone makes a mistake they can carry on racing. With your solution you just added about 5 safety cars to each race.

Indeed, that's why I've said @LancerEvo7 has the better idea.

I don't like seeing them get to simply cruise straight and carry on, they shouldn't get out of making those mistakes so lightly.

 

[Milouse]

Why not use that stuff at Paul Ricard that kills your tires when you hit it?

Why not.

Or:
- A giant spring that bounce the car back with a (not so) loud "Try again" message.
- That stuff at that place that kills the driver.
- Removal of all these kind of chicanes, like J. Villeneuve asked today.

A device to shut down some electrical power on the car during 1 or two lap, maybe ?

 

[Peter.]

Why not use that stuff at Paul Ricard that kills your tires when you hit it?

Is it really that effective? Surely it wouldn't have much effect if a driver just straightlined it, which is what we're trying to avoid here.

 

[Lizard]

- Removal of all these kind of chicanes, like J. Villeneuve asked today.

Then the wall of champions would be meaningless. That chicane is great if someone gets it wrong.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think Rosberg's move was legitimate. There was no way he was going to make the chicane when he locked up. The problem was that he accelerated straight away, and got an advantage from it. Hamilton was close enough to make a move, but there was no guarantee that he could make it work.

As for Perez, I think he was moving across to defend, knowing that he was vulnerable to attack from Massa, but misjudged the closing speeds. A second earlier, and he could have made it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Is it really that effective? Surely it wouldn't have much effect if a driver just straightlined it, which is what we're trying to avoid here.

No, drivers need to be able to straightline it. If the sausage-kerb ran the full length then an out-of-control car would be airborne. That's why the gap there is policed, that's why Nico got a warning

Did JV really say they should get rid of the chicanes? Sheesh, doesn't surprise me from him :\

@adam are you serious? You want to move barriers closer to the track at the end of the 210mph braking zone? Just in case a driver drives across? On the TV? In front of everyone? Mad

 

[CinnamonOD]

As for Perez, I think he was moving across to defend, knowing that he was vulnerable to attack from Massa, but misjudged the closing speeds. A second earlier, and he could have made it.

That's what I was thinking, but meh, it'll be next time

 

[ukfan758]

Just wondering, why don't they go back to the days of SAND TRAPS. That would solve all of these problems and would keep cars from plowing into walls at full speed. Now they have this stupid pavement runoff or grass at the majority of tracks that is far more dangerous.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Just wondering, why don't they go back to the days of SAND TRAPS.

Because if a car hits a sand trap at an angle, it can dig in. And if it digs in, it can flip. And if it flips, a simple error become a serious crash. By using tarmac run-off, the driver has the chance to correct the error. And in the case of that chicane, a sand trap would be too small to slow the cars down before hitting the wall. It would only turn the driver into a passenger, guaranteeing an accident.

And before you suggest doing what Paul Ricard does and put tungsten into the tarmac to erode the tyres, you should know that there isn't enough tungsten in the world to do it.