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It's about how early in the season they've done it, not that they've done it at all.
Nobody can seem to cite any instances of Mercedes doing anything at a similarly early stage. Quite the opposite, they were well-known to let their drivers race, sometimes with very bad results. In fact I seem to vaguely recall a small incident at this very race track a few years ago because the drivers raced each other...
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Deal with it. Team orders have always been a thing, and always will be as long as Formula One remains a team sport. I hope you haven’t forgotten the infamous team order of Spa 1998, that really gave us a boring result after a chaotic race, didn’t it?
So the issue wasn't that he was moaning, but that he was playing tricks? Because from memory it sure seemed like people didn't like him moaning about issues, not just tyres, and told him to "get on with it" or similar. Not so many calls for Max to do the same today, instead of acting like a toddler that his toys were broken.
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Lol, what? Points at the beginning of the season are worth the exact same as points at the end of the season. This isn't NASCAR, you have to be on it from day 1. Leclerc may never DNF again for the rest of the season. They have to strike now.
Mercedes even used team orders when Hamilton was practically guaranteed to win the championship, so that's definitely far worse than this.
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Pedro finally at the end of the interview as Perez is walking away, "great team player" 
Again, circumstances. Last I checked Red Bull were not on the verge of their first ever win in an otherwise poor season, were they?
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It doesn't matter which race you have team orders at, they're either fine at any time or they aren't.
It didn't affect the team 1-2, and the team title obviously comes first (it's where the money comes from) and it allowed the driver at the top of the championship to build as much advantage as possible.
Last season's driver title almost came down to countback. Seven extra points banked now could be crucial, and they might not be in a position to do it come race 16. Especially if they keep on either scoring a win or a DNF.
And for reference I think they're absolutely toilet, but if they aren't allowed they'll happen anyway only in code.
It didn't affect the team 1-2, and the team title obviously comes first (it's where the money comes from) and it allowed the driver at the top of the championship to build as much advantage as possible.
Last season's driver title almost came down to countback. Seven extra points banked now could be crucial, and they might not be in a position to do it come race 16. Especially if they keep on either scoring a win or a DNF.
And for reference I think they're absolutely toilet, but if they aren't allowed they'll happen anyway only in code.
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Wasn't ok then either. Team orders has and will always be a stain on F1.
They asked BOT not to hold HAM up because they actually were on a different strategy. HAM could still win the race, BOT couldn't.
Quite different.
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Woke up on Lap 17, so misssed all the opening drama... Did the same damn thing for Imola.
Hate to see team orders at Red Bull so early, but whatever. Max is usually the faster of the two anyway, so just let it play out naturally.
Shame about Leclerc. Glad Sainz salvaged something in front of the home crowd.
Surprised there wasn't more attrition due to such high track temps.
C'mon, McLaren... gawd!
Hate to see team orders at Red Bull so early, but whatever. Max is usually the faster of the two anyway, so just let it play out naturally.
Shame about Leclerc. Glad Sainz salvaged something in front of the home crowd.
Surprised there wasn't more attrition due to such high track temps.
C'mon, McLaren... gawd!
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No, that's exactly why you do it so early in the season. You don't know what's going to happen. That's why you try to maximize the points your leading driver can score. If Verstappen dominates the rest of the season, Perez can pick up the scraps. If Leclerc dominates the rest of the season, Perez can do whatever he wants. But right now they need to prioritize their leading driver as he's involved in a close fight for the championship, obviously.
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Nothing wrong with live drone footage, the problem is they're using it like they're filming a viral video of a drone flying through a mall or some crap.
They dont even have to track the cars, they can just give us good static shots which aren't possible without a drone. Hell, they could even play chicken. That would be better than ths garage they're feeding us.
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I disagree, but I respect your principles. It’s just that you can’t ignore the reality of this sport, and that these things happened even when team orders were banned (Raikkonen magically got the lead at Brazil in 2007 after Felipe stopped, he would’ve lost the title by a single point had Felipe emerged ahead and successfully defended his position from Kimi for the rest of the GP).
Oooohhhh, that’s totally different. Okay then.
