Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

For one thing, the grip modeling is a joke. Your position is that it's fine if GT6 has the same grip modeling as GT5?

I never said that GT6 should be the same game as GT5, what sense would there be in that?
The joke here is that the "grip modeling" can be improved on PS3. 💡

My point is that it's hardly the end of the world if GT6 is on PS3, so, for my sake at least, you needn't worry about the platform. Improvements will come whatever, and I'd be pretty pleased about not "having" to spend so much to access those improvements.
 
I just want a new game that I can rely on. I don't mind GT6 on PS3, but I atleast do us a favor PD. Organize things! If your going to do a Le Mans Race don't just ram in any Le mans cars, say if I chose the Mazda 787B- only have group C cars in that race since the 787B fits in that category. They should just have seprate Le Mans races category. Le mans for Group C, JGTC, Group B and others.
 
I never said that GT6 should be the same game as GT5, what sense would there be in that?
The joke here is that the "grip modeling" can be improved on PS3. 💡

My point is that it's hardly the end of the world if GT6 is on PS3, so, for my sake at least, you needn't worry about the platform. Improvements will come whatever, and I'd be pretty pleased about not "having" to spend so much to access those improvements.

Well, I don't disagree with what you're saying here, but this is the quote I was responding to.

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Hate to burst your bubble but Kaz has already said, "GT5 represents a whole new operating system," [Kaz] noted, while "GT6 is just new apps that run on the GT5 system"

GT5 was the big overhaul. GT6 is just an extension of the work already done. I expect most, if not all of the changes in GT6 to be content, not physics.

I'm saying I hope Kaz comes to his senses and realizes that won't cut it, FOR ME, in a next gen game.

That's all I'm saying, that his stated position will encourage me to shy away from the game.
 
I still don't expect GT6 to be a PS4 launch title but i still want it for the PS4. PD has all the tools to create an awesome game on the PS4, PS4 GT6 could open up so many opportunities for the series, while a PS3 GT6 would just attempt to fix what GT5 did wrong. I want GT to progress quickly. I would like it if there were 2 PS3 GT games but GT5 came out way too late for that to happen.

Also about install base. The PS3 does have a large GT series install base, but to put GT6 on PS3 just because it will have a bigger install base than the PS4, is like putting it on the PS2, It is the highest selling game console of all time but it will lack the possibilities of innovation, which the PS4 will be better at than the PS3.
 
My problems with a PS4 GT6:

1. Why would Sony want Drive Club, a brand new exclusive racing series that's trying to get its feet wet, to be in competition with a PS4 Gran Turismo 6? That's suicide.

2. Why would PD waste GT5's operating system?

3. Why ignore PS3's massive fan base?

4. Why did the Sony executive mention GT6 as a PS3 2013 release?

5. Even though I rarely believe a word KY says, he did mention GT6 will be released quite quickly compared to GT5. It's been 2.5 years since GT5 released. A few more months of polish sounds about right for a PS3 November release.

6. Considering how long it took PD to create GT5 on a whole new, more complex system (PS3)...can we expect a PS4 GT6 in only 3 years?
 
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Well, I don't disagree with what you're saying here, but this is the quote I was responding to.



I'm saying I hope Kaz comes to his senses and realizes that won't cut it, FOR ME, in a next gen game.

That's all I'm saying, that his stated position will encourage me to shy away from the game.

You were still being overly dramatic about something you may be reading too much into anyway. I believe he was talking at a systems level, not a game design level, because of the new and very different hardware in the PS3. They have all the tech sitting over the top of that hardware, now they need to add the fun. ;)
 
The decision was made a long time ago. Even longer ago than the first time that point was made clear in this thread.
Okay, let's debate or argue about what evidence there is to prove or suggest what that decision was, but as if that isn't a waste of time on its own, debating what console it SHOULD be on is just totally stupid.

Unless you have the ability to email pd and sony 3 years ago with your suggestion.
 
I still don't expect GT6 to be a PS4 launch title but i still want it for the PS4. PD has all the tools to create an awesome game on the PS4, PS4 GT6 could open up so many opportunities for the series, while a PS3 GT6 would just attempt to fix what GT5 did wrong. I want GT to progress quickly. I would like it if there were 2 PS3 GT games but GT5 came out way too late for that to happen.

Also about install base. The PS3 does have a large GT series install base, but to put GT6 on PS3 just because it will have a bigger install base than the PS4, is like putting it on the PS2, It is the highest selling game console of all time but it will lack the possibilities of innovation, which the PS4 will be better at than the PS3.

I still think putting GT6 on PS3 makes the most sense. It's like you guys who wants GT6 on PS4 don't even trust PD and assume its going to be bad just because from what happened to GT5 on the PS3... Stop sticking in the past already! It's been awhile since GT6 was in development for the PS3; why back down now and recycle everything to prepare it for PS4, so people can something to 🤬 at PD about having to wait ANOTHER FEW YEARS for GT6 again? Forget it.

Until it's E3 and Sony or Kaz saids GT6 is going on PS3, you PS4 people just better deal with it... :grumpy:
 
I still think putting GT6 on PS3 makes the most sense. It's like you guys who wants GT6 on PS4 don't even trust PD and assume its going to be bad just because from what happened to GT5 on the PS3... Stop sticking in the past already! It's been awhile since GT6 was in development for the PS3; why back down now and recycle everything to prepare it for PS4, so people can something to 🤬 at PD about having to wait ANOTHER FEW YEARS for GT6 again? Forget it.

Until it's E3 and Sony or Kaz saids GT6 is going on PS3, you PS4 people just better deal with it... :grumpy:

I don't want to stick in the past either, but i feel that if they keep it on PS3, it'll only be a game that is a GT5.5 and not an innovation. I still trust in PD to deliver but until we get more information we can only speculate. All we need is the release year and we can take at least one speculation out.
 
I don't want to stick in the past either, but i feel that if they keep it on PS3, it'll only be a game that is a GT5.5 and not an innovation. I still trust in PD to deliver but until we get more information we can only speculate. All we need is the release year and we can take at least one speculation out.

I wouldn't mind a release year either; since the Sony Exec said GT6 is going on PS3, it would seem like GT6 is coming out this year. We'll just have to wait and see at E3 2013 though.

Also. I wouldn't mind having a better GT5 version of GT6 as well, just like GT4 having more A-Spec events like rally events, realistic engine sounds, realistic physics like Enthusia, more customizing like brakes and nitro.
 
You were still being overly dramatic about something you may be reading too much into anyway. I believe he was talking at a systems level, not a game design level, because of the new and very different hardware in the PS3. They have all the tech sitting over the top of that hardware, now they need to add the fun. ;)

Nope, his quote basically means that all the groundwork has been laid for the next gen console and that they wouldn't be putting that much energy time resources etc into making something bigger, in order to take advantage of a new console.

It's a pretty significant statement of an intention to rest on ones' laurels. Which might be okay, and that's a huge might be, if GT5 was a strong title, which it's not.


The decision was made a long time ago. Even longer ago than the first time that point was made clear in this thread.
Okay, let's debate or argue about what evidence there is to prove or suggest what that decision was, but as if that isn't a waste of time on its own, debating what console it SHOULD be on is just totally stupid.

Unless you have the ability to email pd and sony 3 years ago with your suggestion.

Solid.
 
My problems with a PS4 GT6:

1. Why would Sony want Drive Club, a brand new exclusive racing series that's trying to get its feet wet, to be in competition with a PS4 Gran Turismo 6? That's suicide.

2. Why would PD waste GT5's operating system?

3. Why ignore PS3's massive fan base?

4. Why did the Sony executive mention GT6 as a 2013 release?

5. Even though I rarely believe a word KY says, he did mention GT6 will be released quite quickly compared to GT5. It's been 2.5 years since GT5 released. A few more months of polish sounds about right for a PS3 November release.

6. Considering how long it took PD to create GT5 on a whole new, more complex system (PS3)...can we expect a PS4 GT6 in only 3 years?

My answers to your points:

1. This has already been explained. They would launch the game at the launch of the PS4, they should wait 12 months.

2. It wouldn't be a waste. It would be used again. Kaz has already said this.

3. Presumably, the PS3 fan base will make the switch to PS4. Eventually, which would make the 12 month release even better.

4. Because the PS4 is being released in 2013? Plus PD aren't the best at getting their launch windows spot on. As we know.

5. Anything is quite quick compared to GT5.

6. The PS4's architecture is far less complicated than the PS3. Hence the reason why all the dev's are pumped for it.

Anything else???
 
Now don't get me wrong TD, so of what you put forward is a strong case, I just happen to believe its still he weaker of the two cases, GT6 on the PS3 followed by GT7 on the PS4 a year or two down the line just makes sense in far more ways to me.
It may make more sense from a pure money perspective, which publishers do work on the basis of. It probably makes more sense from a fanbase perspective, as the PS3 install base is quite large now. And the PS3 may be an antique in technical terms, but it's an HD antique still capable of amazing graphics and gameplay. I'll continue with this in a sec.

I think (GT6 on both systems) would cause more confusion than it solved and still think the most sensible route is GT6 on the PS3 and GT7 a year or two down the line on the PS4. That way you maximise the user base on the PS3 (not all of whom are going to move to the PS4 straight away) and allow a userbase to build on the PS4 (which is needed if you want the sales numbers a GT title demands).
I think the reaction would probably be more like consternation. Fans of PS4 would be asking why SONY was diluting sales of the game on a stronger system, where it would shine brightest and push more PS4 sales. PS3 fans would be complaining that the far superior game was released at the same time, and they couldn't enjoy it for some time. I think it's a weird idea too, but a number of posters here want it so I thought I'd include it in the speculation.

A two year span is normally a little soon, considering how well Gran Turismo games sell over time, but in this case I agree with you. GT fans will be clamoring for GT7 on PS4 when they see the quality of games in all categories on both PS4 and MS's new Box.

I know there's a pretty solid divide between fans of both release types, and the pros and cons of both have been well presented for the most part. But then there's the matter of the game itself, and what it would mean in both formats.

I've just come down from another night of GT5 racing on tracks I made in the Course Maker, using Arcade Mode as my own private event generator. And even with bots that on the one hand drive like little kids, and get Dale Earnhardt aggressive on the other, I had a blast and recorded a lot of replays for Photo Mode fodder. The dumb things still vex me, like the weird bot A.I. and the way they give up if you get any distance at all ahead of them, the goofy paint chip system which often means I need to buy a car just to get the color I want in the paint shop, and other head scratchers. But the dumb things only matter for a moment here and there, and are (mostly) forgotten as I make another fight for first place in a car that's a joy to drive.

And I realize that a "GT5.5" can still be an incredible game. Drop the dumb XP system, and the annoying paint chips with the possible exception of special goody colors. Make the bots seem more human and challenging. Give us a Livery Editor, and make Race Mod universal, or almost so. Improve the Course Maker. If B-Spec returns, and it most likely will, improve it and make it a part of the whole game, not off in its own separate mode. If Standard cars and tracks return, and tracks are quite possible, then tidy them up to the point they look almost as good as the Premiums. Allow us to adjust the driver views to suit us, and save them. Give us weather and time of day settings on all tracks, including night racing, and include realistic weather effects like puddling and evaporation. Endow it with a decent damage system, hopefully one as spectacular as the one Codemasters created. Give us a Season Mode, hopefully a GT Academy-like Career Mode path to pro racing, and an Event Maker with powerful tools for not just making events for fun, but with club and league builder tools for online play. And give us a LOT of events like they did in GT4. I played that game for almost 14 months straight because there was so much to do, and I never did finish it.

None of that would require the technology of PS4 to accomplish. I hope, a good damage build might. Other things would, like the Movie Maker, and my HD Course Maker with features like the one in ModNation Racers. The lighting system, such as in night racing, would benefit a lot from PS4's ability to render lighting and reflections much better. Physics and bot A.I. would be better, with the bountiful resources of the AMD architecture and all that fast ram. No more loading screens, except briefly. Online capacity would be godly, with spectating, large rooms, large races and other features made possible with the new internet infrastructure SONY is building. I'm particularly keen on getting photos of huge race fields running to the horizon.

But most of that would be doable on PS3. I could enjoy the heck out of a proper GT game on PS3, and it wouldn't be just GT5 warmed over. I'd squirm every time I fired up my PS4, hoping that news of GT7 would be coming along soon, but I'd have some great gaming to occupy myself until then. Yeah... that would be good. ;)
 
Nope, his quote basically means that all the groundwork has been laid for the next gen console and that they wouldn't be putting that much energy time resources etc into making something bigger, in order to take advantage of a new console.

It's a pretty significant statement of an intention to rest on ones' laurels. Which might be okay, and that's a huge might be, if GT5 was a strong title, which it's not.

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Yeah, GT5 was the worst thing ever, and the only thing that a sequel could be is worserer. :rolleyes:
I can appreciate the pessimist's point of view, but I at least make a concerted effort at realism despite those tendencies.

And, from a technical standpoint, operating systems are, by definition, hardware dependent, so...
 
A GT6 Prologue (not the final game) would be nice as PS4 launch title. Then a few years later GT6.

People are talking about sales, but they could simply release two GT games for the same console, as they did for the PS1, PS2.
Or maybe GT6 will come this year for PS3 (later would be nonsense) and then GT7 Prologue for PS4 just a little bit later or even at the same time. And a few years later GT7 for PS4.
Two so similar threads...
 
Don't know if this has been said before, but what about a GT6 Prologue for free on PS3 this year (like Real Racing 3); and the real deal at the full price, the brand new GT6 on PS4 in 2014?
On a pure marketing point of view there is no better way to tease all the fans and make them boil with envy for the next system. On the other hand, PS3 owners would still feel satisfied with a new GT freebie. GT HD was for free if I remember...it would be a great way to end up the GT loop session on the PS3.
 
What would be the point of a technology demonstrator, and that is what a Prologue is, on PS3 for a game on a completely different console?
 
What would be the point of a technology demonstrator, and that is what a Prologue is, on PS3 for a game on a completely different console?

Because the limitations of the hardware would stop a full release of GT6 on PS3 but if the did a prologue on PS3 they could show a cut down version of the new game which in turn could make people but a PS4 to play the full release?
 
No, Tired Tyres is right. It's not quite as bad as releasing a GT5 Prologue on PS2, which wouldn't be remotely the same experience at all. But the PS3 is practically an antique compared to the technology in the PS4, which might be running 3D images at full 1080p at 60 frames per second. Each car at night will have its own headlight cones lighting up the scenery, not just two cars. Damage could possibly be on par with what Codemasters has developed, or at least Forza 4 offers.

No one will release something on outdated hardware to showcase a new game, and say, "Now imagine all this, but ten times better. And more!" Plus, Prologue was necessary because of the lengthy development of GT5. Whatever system GT6 is released on, indications are that we won't be waiting forever for it, so a Prologue is less necessary now. I'd sure buy it if they made one, but we may not get one this time.
 
"Might" is right. I don't think we should hold our hopes high about GT on the PS4 being able to run at 1080P/60fps in 3D settings in the detail we're expecting. I mean we've yet to see a game running in 1080p/60fps in 2D. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm going to be skeptical till then.

I don't agree on GT6:P/GT6PS4 either. At best, it can only be a content demonstration, cutting out all the other experience like more advanced physics, probably more advanced A.I., sound, graphics, lighting, and solid framerate to name a few. That's a little too much missing to merely be considered a "preview."
 
Computers display graphics at 1080p at better than 60fps now. And PS4 is essentially a potent gaming computer, better than what most gamers currently have.
 
Computers display graphics at 1080p at better than 60fps now. And PS4 is essentially a potent gaming computer, better than what most gamers currently have.

Oh you.

"Computers" huh, do you think you could simplify that just a little bit more?
 
Don't know if this has been said before, but what about a GT6 Prologue for free on PS3 this year (like Real Racing 3); and the real deal at the full price, the brand new GT6 on PS4 in 2014?
This would be a stupid decision in my opinion.
On a pure marketing point of view there is no better way to tease all the fans and make them boil with envy for the next system.
There is a better way.

PS3:
GT6 2013
PS4:
GT7 Prologue Early 2015
GT7 2016

Gran Turismo HD was for free if I remember...it would be a great way to end up the GT loop session on the PS3.
GT6 would be a good way. Who will buy a GT6 Prologue on PS3 with 2 tracks and 20 cars, if it doesn't show what GT6 on PS4 will be like? We have GT5 with more content.
 
Didn't Sony already said that all their studios work on the PS4? Some people use this fact to argue that we'll see GT6 on PS4. GT7 could be in development with GT6. Some people finish GT6 and another team develop the GT7 engine.

My guess is that they work on GT7 since 2012. 2016 would be 4 years. Keep in mind the cars are next gen ready.
 
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Didn't Sony already said that all their studios work on the PS4? Some people use this fact to argue that we'll see GT6 on PS4. GT7 could be in development with GT6. Some people finish GT6 and another team develop the GT7 engine.

My guess is that they work on GT7 since 2012. 2016 would be 4 years. Keep in mind the cars are nect gen ready.

By 2014 I expect technology to be stupid fast.
 
Didn't Sony already said that all their studios work on the PS4? Some people use this fact to argue that we'll see GT6 on PS4. GT7 could be in development with GT6. Some people finish GT6 and another team develop the GT7 engine.

My guess is that they work on GT7 since 2012. 2016 would be 4 years. Keep in mind the cars are next gen ready.

Its kind of a bad idea to work on GT7 before we even know anything about GT6, they might add something that we don't like and end up wasting time by editing it. GT7 won't begin being worked on until GT6 begins selling. The only thing i can see them starting for GT7 is adding cars and tracks but that might end up being GT6 DLC anyway.
 
Its kind of a bad idea to work on GT7 before we even know anything about GT6, they might add something that we don't like and end up wasting time by editing it. GT7 won't begin being worked on until GT6 begins selling. The only thing i can see them starting for GT7 is adding cars and tracks but that might end up being GT6 DLC anyway.
QD works on Beyond and a PS4 game since mid 2012. I don't think it is a bad idea to work on GT6 and on GT7 with a small team. The small team could develop the engine and experiment with the PS4.

Sony can't release GT6 on PS3 this year and create the engine for GT7 after GT6 is finished. They can't wait until 2017-2019 for GT7, because the competition is better and more popular now.

The Xbox and Forza 1 weren't a real threat. This changed with the Xbox 360 and Forza Motorsport 2-4.
 
ch3ng
QD works on Beyond and a PS4 game since mid 2012. I don't think it is a bad idea to work on GT6 and on GT7 with a small team. The small team could develop the engine and experiment with the PS4.

Sony can't release GT6 on PS3 this year and create the engine for GT7 after GT6 is finished. They can't wait until 2017-2019 for GT7, because the competition is better and more popular now.

The Xbox and Forza 1 weren't a real threat. This changed with the Xbox 360 and Forza Motorsport 2-4.

PD is a small team, they shouldn't split their group up to work on two games. ( GTPsP was an exception since it is just a PsP title and not one of the big games.

I personally believe GT6 is a Ps4 title being released late 2013 to mid 2014 so a 2017 GT7 release isn't impossible in my book.
 
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