The Rolex Sports Car Series- Season 3 Ideas!

[ghskilla]

Edited it for James not impressed by his rampage on PURE, this is what I'm talking about (In our PMs) when I say some have agro towards us and say we are "Elitists" etc .

I sort of want to join a PURE series but I'm just scared that because of all the strict rules and such (and the fact that I'm not as good as the people in there) I probably wouldn't last a week. You guys do sort of come off as elitists at first glance, though (that was my first time in this sub-forum, I know better now). And the way the other series was described as "being backed by PURE" and that we might lose some drivers/interest in this series sort of saddens me to be honest. I know that other series don't complain when this sort of thing happens, but this was a good series with dedicated members and we were starting to gain more interest and racers, but then a PURE sanctioned series comes along that uses the same exact racing series to replicate and it'll almost certainly take some interest away from this series.

 

[Shinshiki]

Nevermind.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

but then a PURE sanctioned series comes along that uses the same exact racing series to replicate and it'll almost certainly take some interest away from this series.

I'll apologize for some PMs that I sent, then, too. I'm quoting ghs, because I just want to base my apology off of it.


We're scared. We like this series, and we're not ready to see another one. We like being the "go-to guys" for Rolex racing. That's what brings us people to race with. And, that's what we're looking for.

 

[cnd01]

I sort of want to join a PURE series but I'm just scared that because of all the strict rules and such (and the fact that I'm not as good as the people in there) I probably wouldn't last a week. You guys do sort of come off as elitists at first glance, though (that was my first time in this sub-forum, I know better now). And the way the other series was described as "being backed by PURE" and that we might lose some drivers/interest in this series sort of saddens me to be honest. I know that other series don't complain when this sort of thing happens, but this was a good series with dedicated members and we were starting to gain more interest and racers, but then a PURE sanctioned series comes along that uses the same exact racing series to replicate and it'll almost certainly take some interest away from this series.

Neither series is the same. Quit saying this please.

The series aren't the same, but they are based off of the same series IRL.

 

[ghskilla]

Neither series is the same. Quit saying they're the same, please.

I said they were "using the same exact racing series to replicate" meaning they also are doing the Rolex Sports Car Series. I know they're not 100% exact, but it's the same general concept.

tree'd by cnd

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The series aren't the same, but they are based off of the same series IRL.

Neither series is the same. Quit saying they're the same, please.

No one said that they're the same. One uses an M3, and one doesn't; they're ENTIRELY different. No, in reality, because we're both running off of Rolex Sports Car Series, IRL, they're both similar.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I hope that won't be the case but I'll just highlight the quite big differences in this post.

Rolex has for DP:

Sauber 502bhp 1060kgs DF 60/85
Minolta Toyota 502bhp 1050kg DF 60/85
Nissan R92PC 502bhp 1060kgs DF 60/85

For GT:

Dodge Viper 455bhp 1250kgs DF 10/40
Ferrari 458 460bhp 1300kgs DF 10/40 (Iirc)
Chevy Camaro 480bhp 1330kgs DF 0/20
Mazda RX8 465bhp 1085kgs DF 0/20
Audi R8 5.2 460bhp 1320kgs DF 10/40

All on racing softs.

Fraisers has for DP:

Zonda R 550bhp 1070kgs DF 40/65

For GT:

Audi R8 LMS 475bhp 1320kgs DF 20/40
BMW M3 GTR 495bhp 1270ks DF 20/40
Chevy Camaro RM 505bhp 1310kgs DF 20/40
Chevy Corvette RM 490bhp 1290kgs DF 20/40
Ferrari 458 515bhp 1247kgs DF 10/30 (Only one similar but higher power to keep up with the race cars)
Mazda RX8 LM 475bhp 1160kgs DF 20/40

All on race hards.

Just saying the tyres and higher bhp/DF GTs and the single spec DP class is to me quite a difference to this series. Hopefully the different times too will not affect this series.

I am just trying to be netrual in a very tough situation for me .

Also we had a spot race with similar spec cars in GT.

 

[polarbear345]

We're scared. We like this series, and we're not ready to see another one. We like being the "go-to guys" for Rolex racing. That's what brings us people to race with. And, that's what we're looking for.

This summarizes it quite well.

What's going on is VERY unfortunate. We had a good thing going, no one can deny it. It was going to get better with season 3. The 'problem' people wouldn't be back, and we could move on in a civil fashion. We were truly hoping to get our first 16 person race soon. With our average somewhere around 8-10 the 16 person grid is looking grim now.

We were also going to 'up the standards' we got 40+ sign ups... Some of which are not very good drivers. We were starting to get a group of "regulars" going... Which was quite promising. That's going to be hit by the new series.

The last thing is this, PURE has all the fancy stuff that comes with them. All the diagrams, super good drivers, and the prestige that comes with the PURE name. It makes it more attractive. There is no denying that.

What makes me the most upset of this whole thing is this: how everyone is handling themselves. I told you guys this was going to happen! I did it so you'd flip on our thread then, and not now... But not even that. People sending genuinely mean Pm's and hostile posts is absolutely absurd! C'mon people, there is a way to be professional about this. We CAN figure out a reasonable solution to this without all the fighting and bickering, some of which is between people in our series, which is a entirely different rant, but also is uncalled for.

Again, my sincere apologies to PURE for some people from my series' actions,

Drew

 

[cnd01]

I hope that won't be the case but I'll just highlight the quite big differences in this post.

Rolex has for DP:

Sauber 502bhp 1060kgs DF 60/85
Minolta Toyota 502bhp 1050kg DF 60/85
Nissan R92PC 502bhp 1060kgs DF 60/85

For GT:

Dodge Viper 455bhp 1250kgs DF 10/40
Ferrari 458 460bhp 1300kgs DF 10/40 (Iirc)
Chevy Camaro 480bhp 1330kgs DF 0/20
Mazda RX8 465bhp 1085kgs DF 0/20
Audi R8 5.2 460bhp 1320kgs DF 10/40

All on racing softs.

Fraisers has for DP:

Zonda R 550bhp 1070kgs DF 40/65

For GT:

Audi R8 LMS 475bhp 1320kgs DF 20/40
BMW M3 GTR 495bhp 1270ks DF 20/40
Chevy Camaro RM 505bhp 1310kgs DF 20/40
Chevy Corvette RM 490bhp 1290kgs DF 20/40
Ferrari 458 515bhp 1247kgs DF 10/30 (Only one similar but higher power to keep up with the race cars)
Mazda RX8 LM 475bhp 1160kgs DF 20/40

All on race hards.

Just saying the tyres and higher bhp/DF GTs and the single spec DP class is to me quite a difference to this series. Hopefully the different times too will not affect this series.

I am just trying to be netrual in a very tough situation for me .

Also we had a spot race with similar spec cars in GT.

Those are differences no doubt about it, but here are some very obvious similarities.

1.) 2 class format with one class being a spec prototype type class. The other class is based on factory production cars that have been heavily modified to a grand touring type effect. Not only that, the PURE series uses the same names for the class.
2.) The race schedule is almost a mirror of ours. They have a 3 race endurance championship just like us.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I just checked the PURE forum and yes I was right these spec's were based off the PURE 2.4 Daytona spot race we did to celebrate 50 years of the 24hr Daytona.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=241026

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Those are differences no doubt about it, but here are some very obvious similarities.

1.) 2 class format with one class being a spec prototype type class. The other class is based on factory production cars that have been heavily modified to a grand touring type effect. Not only that, the PURE series uses the same names for the class.
2.) The race schedule is almost a mirror of ours. They have a 3 race endurance championship just like us.

And, it's these things that stuck out, to me, as "hey, they're copying us." It made me think that you guys would perhaps "leech" some of our interest away. As it is, Paul, damu, Storm, and I have been having a close season. Storm and I have had a few incidents, but, other than that, GT's a close, good field, with a good, close championship. If any of those people left, and joined the PURE series, I'd be irritated, at least. So, I was scared, again, because I don't want the Rolex series to change.

 

[cnd01]

I just checked the PURE forum and yes I was right these spec's were based off the PURE 2.4 Daytona spot race we did to celebrate 50 years of the 24hr Daytona.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=241026

I am not saying that you are copying our spec, just that you have a very similar formula. After all, both series are based off of the same series IRL. Sorry if I wasn't clear buddy It is past my bedtime.

 

[ghskilla]

It's like a small restaurant which has been there for a long time and was starting to grow, had plenty of regulars, and then all of a sudden a massive fancy buffet/cuisine is built right across the street, taking away all the interest from the little restaurant.

 

[polarbear345]

It's like a small restaurant which has been there for a long time and was starting to grow, had plenty of regulars, and then all of a sudden a massive fancy buffet/cuisine is built right across the street, taking away all the interest from the little restaurant.

I like this comparison!

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

It's like a small restaurant which has been there for a long time and was starting to grow, had plenty of regulars, and then all of a sudden a massive fancy buffet/cuisine is built right across the street, taking away all the interest from the little restaurant.

This scares us. We're going to lose customers, and, perhaps, go out of business, because someone opened the Wal-Marts of racing series. Honestly, that's the problem. We are worried, for our current customers.

 

[paulmac2k9]

I may point out that the specs that Frasers using are based off a PURE spot race which was around 2 months before your season 1 started. (January 28th) So that was our own original idea... We did hope to make a full series out of the Daytona spot race but other things took priority.

I know it may be hard for you guys to understand but as I keep saying as with the touring car series situation there should be room for all. Atleast I hope so as I like this series although I may not be in it next season I would like it to continue nicely.

 

[Shinshiki]

It's like a small restaurant which has been there for a long time and was starting to grow, had plenty of regulars, and then all of a sudden a massive fancy buffet/cuisine is built right across the street, taking away all the interest from the little restaurant.

More like they put a Red Lobster in across the street.

 

[polarbear345]

I may point out that the specs that Frasers using are based off a PURE spot race which was around 2 months before your season 1 started. So that was our own original idea... We did hope to make a full series out of the Daytona spot race but other things took priority.

For fighting reasons, please don't get TOO defensive.

And I came in and watched a bit of that race

 

[cnd01]

I may point out that the specs that Frasers using are based off a PURE spot race which was around 2 months before your season 1 started. (January 28th) So that was our own original idea... We did hope to make a full series out of the Daytona spot race but other things took priority.

Good point, but we were the first series to run a Grand-Am based races as a series. I am sure that there was another spot race before PURE as well. Maybe another series idea that failed. Whatever the case, we started the Rolex series as an official racing series event first.

 

[paulmac2k9]

For fighting reasons, please don't get TOO defensive.

And I came in and watched a bit of that race

What? We are used to randoms joining that in the race I tone it out and focus, I actualy did DP for it for a change 700bhp+ in the Pug on race mediums was certainly a challenge. Btw Biffy uses a DS3 and won in the Pug 908 👍, I got 3rd behind Wardez I think .

 

[polarbear345]

What we are used to randoms joinin that in the race I tone it out and focus, I actualy did DP for it for a change 700bhp+ in the Pug on race mediums was certainly a challenge. Btw Biffy uses a DS3 and won in the Pug 908 👍, I got 3rd behind Wardez I think .

It was a while ago! I don't remember anything

 

[ghskilla]

I may point out that the specs that Frasers using are based off a PURE spot race which was around 2 months before your season 1 started. (January 28th) So that was our own original idea... We did hope to make a full series out of the Daytona spot race but other things took priority.

While yes, you guys had a plan to create a Rolex-type series based on the Daytona race, you guys did not create the series itself. Only the spot race. Polar was the one who created the season 1 official. Season 1 was their gateway to season 2, which will ultimately lead up and fix all the current problems, into a hopefully much more complete Season 3. We were already a season and a half done in this Rolex series, we had so much plans and we were growing slowly but surely, and we want season 3 to be the best season (hence the thread) but this new PURE series will set us back a whole 2.4 Daytona race distance. This may sound over-exaggerated but the guys from season 1 worked hard to get a lot of racers, they (and myself included) were really hopeful of getting our first 16 driver grid, and PURE just seems to attract every driver.

"Rolex Sports Car Series Season 3? I've always wanted to race in a GTP based Rolex series...

...oh wait! There's a PURE version of it!" *goes off to the PURE thread

That's how I imagine the situation.

** If any of you feel like I'm bad-mouthing the PURE series in a way, I'm sorry.

 

[paulmac2k9]

The main difference bar the cars. Is the times this is 6-8pm EST. Frasers is 12pm-2/3pm EST. Which should make it appeal to different people i.e more Euros (Like ones who can't stay up late etc) than this which is runs at Midnight and beyond for most Euros.

I am really trying hard here to be nice to you guys and understand you etc but also to partialy defend the other series for being unique in it's own right.. Not fun..

 

[polarbear345]

The main difference bar the cars. Is the times this is 6-8pm EST. Frasers is 12pm-2/3pm EST. Which should make it appeal to different people i.e more Euros than this which is run at Midnight and beyond for most Euros.

While the times are the same, they're on the same day. That kinda makes me feel like you guys are trying to push us off the cliff.

Edit- I know you are trying to be nice, and I respect that. But I do think you should see where I'm coming from. It's quite discouraging when a big organization makes a series that directly competes with the one you made.

 

[paulmac2k9]

That wasn't PUREs decision that was Frasers/TomMcDs. Series host generally pick a day for themselves etc like Dens series is 7-9am uk which is mad for most people but suits him as he cant race many other times.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I am really trying hard here to be nice to you guys and understand you etc but also to partialy defend the other series for being unique in it's own right.. Not fun..

Stormpacer17 & damuemogirl are in Britain.

 

[paulmac2k9]

But they like me like the late night races and maybe have other stuff on in the afternoons 💡. Trust me Storm and Damu won't go anywhere they seem commited to this series which is great 👍.

 

[polarbear345]

That wasn't PUREs decision that was Frasers/TomMcDs. Series host generally pick a day for themselves etc like Dens series is 7-9am uk which is mad for most people but suits him as he cant race many other times.

Fraser is RustyMercades?

 

[cnd01]

The main difference bar the cars. Is the times this is 6-8pm EST. Frasers is 12pm-2/3pm EST. Which should make it appeal to different people i.e more Euros than this which is run at Midnight and beyond for most Euros.

The cars aren't the same, but our 3 DP cars are basically spec barring 10 kg extra on the R92. You guys have one model spec DP. The zonda road car.

Our GT class has street cars with full aero modifications with specs that make those cars fairly equal. They are not perfect. You guys have race cars for GT plus a Ferrari 458 road car speced where they will run pretty much equal times. If that isn't the same formula then I don't know what is no offence.

The time slot issue is something that I was going to add to the discussion. It is nearly impossible for someone who isn't in the U.S. to attend. That would make things easier. I agree that is something that your series pounced on and with good reason.

 

[ghskilla]

While the times are the same, they're on the same day. That kinda makes me feel like you guys are trying to push us off the cliff.

They obviously aren't. Unless their series creator had some sort of personal vendetta against one of us, I don't think they'd want to purposely run us off the racing series sub-forum, or take away interest from this series. The day it's scheduled to run is debatable, but that's just it.