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- Thread starter Duke
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- Castel Gandolfo - Rome - Italy
- luigi864_2
MistralWhat you're calling minimum distance is null distance. A touch can be defined as a physical contact with two different things. In that cas, a car and a wall. The speed can't drop by itself just because he wants to!
Hey guys , I don't want to play with words and I prefer to go by rules...o.k.?
So what does It mean that no difference between minimum and null?
I hope you explain this difference...and also where's a rule about invisible touch?
I would lost a challenge for a rule not for an idea...
What is this a theatre or what? Are we talking with people or with a strange kind of judge establishment...?
Thanks for the settings!jmrJust overread that someone wants the setting from this run. So here it is.
7.0/5.0
90/90
3/1
6/4
2.0/1.0
0/0
3/2
Wings 38/53
LSD 5/5/10
Brakes 2/4
ASM (understeer) 12
TCS 1
gearbox
final 3.847-1
2.966
1.952
1.510
1.250
1.050
.925
19.899
48.870
1'01.063
With this setup you get quite 'easy' to a lower 1'01... I had it within an hour. Pity I didn't know that it would be enough for the win.Was chasing for a clean minute, had in my last run about 10 times the chance, but last sector is with its curbs and close line just unpredictable. With best sectors you could go to a 1'00.5xx. That's why I was a bit surprised with the win.
Again a big thx to Jim, Ramon and Rand for their great help in this run!
Cheers!
- 2,093
Sorry luigi, you can better just stop this discussion. This is the 5th Boards Challenge and there are always problems with rules, and GTWeb is right that they have suffered their fair share of losses in races because of similar problems that GTIRN now has. Some notorious problems had to do with Invisible Walls - this is where GT3 has a wall in the track map, but not in the graphics. :S If this invisible wall was identified before the BC race started, you were not allowed to touch it. Otherwise, it was no problem.
Last year, it was identified on the race Rudi mentioned. The GTTimes.com driver was DQd because he didn't see it, and so was Rudi, in that same race (except Rudi finished first, and our driver pretty much last).
Please, let this discussion take place in the administration forum, where it will be fairly discussed, and stop discussing it here because a) it's not the right place and b) it will only lead to bitter arguments. We've been here before.
Just let us sort this out like grown men, and according to the rules.
Last year, it was identified on the race Rudi mentioned. The GTTimes.com driver was DQd because he didn't see it, and so was Rudi, in that same race (except Rudi finished first, and our driver pretty much last).
Please, let this discussion take place in the administration forum, where it will be fairly discussed, and stop discussing it here because a) it's not the right place and b) it will only lead to bitter arguments. We've been here before.
Just let us sort this out like grown men, and according to the rules.
- 996
IMO, after seeing the pictures Rico showed me, i say its NOT a touch, there´s no touch at all, but a very close call, but, this is not a touch.
After seeing the video, i can´t say anything, since videos generally confuse us and mostly proves nothing. So, in my opinion, there´s no touch on his lap.
After seeing the video, i can´t say anything, since videos generally confuse us and mostly proves nothing. So, in my opinion, there´s no touch on his lap.
- 996
Mistral
what u prefer, 10 pictures in 1280x1024 or a video in 640x480?
pictures show everything, or almost that, they are generally better than videos, when well taken.
if its yet not enough, see the file into your ps2, and analize the way u want.
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Ok guy's, on the VCR replay picture by picture we see clearly the car bouncing on the wall when there's the lost of 2 kmh, for me it's clear there's no invisible wall at this point but a wall contact.
- 4,394
Congrats Minorshunt!
Look, the game shows tons of frame per second (ideally 25fps). Before you get THAT frame where you see the touch, you will waste ages. 99% of the time, if not more, and it may be more, you'll see the frame either before the touch or after the touch. In both cases, of course you will never see physical touch.veilsidebrwhat u prefer, 10 pictures in 1280x1024 or a video in 640x480?
pictures show everything, or almost that, they are generally better than videos, when well taken.
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kennythebomb
Thanks Kenny!
👍
- 996
Mistral
yes, and i would even risky myself in saying that just the people who were there watching his testing sesssion in that day, into the racetrack or grandstands, will be able to tell us if there were touch or not.
edit: my post # 666, FINALLY!!
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CFMFinally, somebody being honest and not making up "invisible wall" stories.
Kudos to Franconen.👍
His team is competing for the first place, and if he says that the team that's now first has to be DQ he is honest? He's simply acting according to his interests...like many would do at his place...
- 10,575
- United Kingdom
veilsidebrwhat u prefer, 10 pictures in 1280x1024 or a video in 640x480?
pictures show everything, or almost that, they are generally better than videos, when well taken.
if its yet not enough, see the file into your ps2, and analize the way u want.
I'm sure after years of watching examples like the avi clips recorded and scrutinizing replays also with close calls .... you will be able to determine a contact also .... speed drops dont just happen
I have been driving in all 5 BC's and have seen many replays failed and some like Jimeez run over 5 laps in a full mod monster car on rally with a tiny touch that only vcr could detect .... it was so sad to see such a great effort go to waste ... but it did!! ... these things happen! just live with it
The majority will have the final say anyway 👍
- 996
Mistral
LOOOOOL i was kidding when i said about that! hahaha
so you would call the virtual expectators in the pitlane and grandstands of autumn ring to tell you about a possible hit or not? coz i was refering to them.
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Listen, am I dishonest only 'cause I say that for me that lap is clean?
For me is CERTAINLY honest someone that admits he has touched or someone that looking the replay of his opponent says that's clean. In any other case you can't.
For me is CERTAINLY honest someone that admits he has touched or someone that looking the replay of his opponent says that's clean. In any other case you can't.
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Wicker_Man
I want to said only that the Rule is the Rules and is the same for all !!!! Gtweb had lost the BC3 for an invisible wall unknow by all. You can ask GTN on it.
( it's not true Jean and iforce ??) GTIRN has proved that can win the BC, but it's not for this year, I'am sorry may be for the BC6...Now the discussion is closed for me.
cyao.
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Ok, is it enough for you the opinion of who says that's clean?Sphinx
- 996
Mr PI'm sure after years of watching examples like the avi clips recorded and scrutinizing replays also with close calls .... you will be able to determine a contact also .... speed drops dont just happen
I have been driving in all 5 BC's and have seen many replays failed and some like Jimeez run over 5 laps in a full mod monster car on rally with a tiny touch that only vcr could detect .... it was so sad to see such a great effort go to waste ... but it did!! ... these things happen! just live with it
The majority will have the final say anyway 👍
haha don´t worry mr p, i agree with you in the end, i was just heating the discussion.
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You're not in the position to say that, mate...momo-gtwebI want to said only that the Rule is the Rules and is the same for all !!!! Gtweb had lost the BC3 for an invisible wall unknow by all. You can ask GTN on it.
Now the discussion is closed for me.
cyao.
IMO, you just don't want to accept it. EVERYONE who saw the replay are saying there is a touch, supported by technical explanation and rational explanation. Unfortunately, it's kept private for now. Maybe we can give public access after the BC, but no possiblity to replay to any message posted there during the competition.Wicker_Man
This is just an idea, I never said it will happen.
