GTRA | RSeat WSGTC S3 | Round 2 | Laguna Seca | Corkscrew GT

[NJ72]

Suggestion.

We 14 spots available in each division, but we have 16 places that earn points.
How about div 1 is run as normal. The top 7 qualifyers from each division.
We then run 2 same class races for the remainder, to fight over places 8 to 16.
This way everyone gets to race.
Thoughts?

+1 👍

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Suggestion.

We 14 spots available in each division, but we have 16 places that earn points.
How about div 1 is run as normal. The top 7 qualifyers from each division.
We then run 2 same class races for the remainder, to fight over places 8 to 16.
This way everyone gets to race.
Thoughts?

If we had more than 14 qualifiers in each class this would be the way to go.

As it is we don't have full grids for PAL GT300 or either NTSC classes this week so the rule I proposed and had accepted before the season started stating that to constitute a mixed class event the d2 grid must be full for BOTH classes (as per the D1 grid) should be applied and we revert to same class.

Mixed class is only viable if the numbers are right and there has to be a set rule governing it to ensure consistency through the season. Making the decision on a race by race basis is not fair to anyone.

Using your proposal doesn't change anything for GT300 Dave as it still isn't a full grid.

 

[twistedfirework]

I thought you had said there must be 5 of each class in each race? Once all drivers are added, we can see exactly what we have, numbers wise.

Now would be a good time for anyone who hasn't qualified and wishes to race to declare themselves on the waiting list.👍

 

[twistedfirework]

I'm in pal1 if anybody could qualify me now thanks.

Edit: not anymore . It's a bit early on a Friday morning

Are you available now?

 

[twistedfirework]

Looking at the qualifying lists, we currently have 13 GT300's and 16 GT500's

 

[Scanny_Flick]

I thought you had said there must be 5 of each class in each race? Once all drivers are added, we can see exactly what we have, numbers wise.

Now would be a good time for anyone who hasn't qualified and wishes to race to declare themselves on the waiting list.👍

I said ideally 6+6 (at a push 5+5) but that was all based on 12 to a room, now we are looking at going back to 14 and possibly 16 (if last nights test is anything to go by) then the rule has to adjust accordingly. I've never really agreed with people having to race in a room with less numbers just because of how many people decide to show up that week. The rooms should be the same for each division and if that's not possible with mixed then so be it.

The problem with not having a fixed ruling is that ok this week being Laguna running 5 might not be so bad but if at the next mixed class event we only get 2 or 3 in D2 and it's decided to be run as same class those drivers have then gained an advantage over this weeks d2 drivers etc.

It's just not fair that the amount of points someone is able to race for is dictated not by their own performance but by how many people show up on any given week

Another thing I've just noticed, how is mixed class supposed to even work with dual heat rounds, particularly if we get to 16 grid rooms? Whats the point in d2 even running a sprint race when there will be no points on offer? Even today we are faced with a d2 sprint race only offering points (sorry 1 point) to the winner??

Mixed class racing is becoming more and more redundant for me, the value it brings just doesn't match up to the compromises it requires. There was a time when a good result in d2 overlapped with the lower positions in d1 and that's now turned into potentially running a race for no points at all.

 

[XsApollo]

Are you available now?

I'm in pal1.

 

[NJ72]

I said ideally 6+6 (at a push 5+5) but that was all based on 12 to a room, now we are looking at going back to 14 and possibly 16 (if last nights test is anything to go by) then the rule has to adjust accordingly. I've never really agreed with people having to race in a room with less numbers just because of how many people decide to show up that week. The rooms should be the same for each division and if that's not possible with mixed then so be it.

The problem with not having a fixed ruling is that ok this week being Laguna running 5 might not be so bad but if at the next mixed class event we only get 2 or 3 in D2 and it's decided to be run as same class those drivers have then gained an advantage over this weeks d2 drivers etc.

It's just not fair that the amount of points someone is able to race for is dictated not by their own performance but by how many people show up on any given week

Another thing I've just noticed, how is mixed class supposed to even work with dual heat rounds, particularly if we get to 16 grid rooms? Whats the point in d2 even running a sprint race when there will be no points on offer? Even today we are faced with a d2 sprint race only offering points (sorry 1 point) to the winner??

Mixed class racing is becoming more and more redundant for me, the value it brings just doesn't match up to the compromises it requires. There was a time when a good result in d2 overlapped with the lower positions in d1 and that's now turned into potentially running a race for no points at all.

I agree with scanny about the points, but IMO it just makes qualifying more important.

And with respect to the sprint races, I'm in this season to enjoy myself with some close racing. I don't care if it's not for points because of my quali times, I still wanna race it.

Maybe that's just me, but gt5 is a game which I go out of my way to enjoy, not to win a racing series. If I win it'd be awesome and I'm not about to drive slow, but my point is enjoyment is aim number 1. Sprint races are fun because they offer completely different tactics and a reversed grid. If points are a problem I should've done better in my qualifying

 

[twistedfirework]

All of the dual heat rounds are same class, for that reason. I am not a fan of mixed class either but it is how they do it in real life.




Apollo has re run his qualifyer, just waiting for word from litchi if his new time will be used. I will post up the new times if they are to be used. So not to influence 1 way or the other.

 

[cicua]

Could someone with access to the qual sheet please swap Moleman and me (PAL-GT300 place 4 and 5)? I have a slightly faster time than him.

 

[Scanny_Flick]

I agree with scanny about the points, but IMO it just makes qualifying more important.

And with respect to the sprint races, I'm in this season to enjoy myself with some close racing. I don't care if it's not for points because of my quali times, I still wanna race it.

Maybe that's just me, but gt5 is a game which I go out of my way to enjoy, not to win a racing series. If I win it'd be awesome and I'm not about to drive slow, but my point is enjoyment is aim number 1. Sprint races are fun because they offer completely different tactics and a reversed grid. If points are a problem I should've done better in my qualifying

I agree that it makes quali more important to get into d1, but as I said, this week those that qualied in d2 may have to run in d2 whereas next time someone who qualied in d2 may get to race in a single class race (no divisions) purely based on how many entries there are in that week and nothing else, too much potential for disparity.

Again, the only time mixed class is viable is when the conditions between the two divisions are comparable IMO and it's not something that should be decided on a race by race basis. Minimum conditions should have to be met for it to go ahead to ensure parity. This week there is also the added curve ball that the goal posts moved for getting into PAL Div 1 after everyone had qualified by changing from a 12 room to a 14 room. I was looking at needing a 26.4 to make d1 when I qualied very late last night which meant an all or nothing lap for me which I had to go for. When I woke up this morning I saw that a 26.8 would have got me into d1 (because it was now top 7) which I am comfortable at meeting and had I not have pushed for the faster time I may have got it.

But it's not just about me, it affects everyone

I'm glad you mentioned enjoyment because believe me, when you are stuck in a room with only 2 other drivers to race against for an hour (most of which you will spend by yourself) there is little enjoyment.

 

[Litchi]

Just woke up.
Reading that I shouldn't have ballast?
Apologies for the confusion.
Do I run my quality again?

Run wis ballast was the error of the steward before your quali? Or that was your own decision to run with ballast?

 

[NEPALII]

Apollo is 2nd in the standings. Doesn't that give him 30kg of ballast? You guys are so confusing...

 

[twistedfirework]

New time

Steward : twistedfirework
Pilot : GTF_Apollo
Lap1 : 1.22.495
Lap 2 : 1:22.598
Best : 1:22.495

Slightly slower, same grid spot

 

[twistedfirework]

Apollo is 2nd in the standings. Doesn't that give him 30kg of ballast? You guys are so confusing...

Ballast is given out on preliminary results. On this basis he was 5th.
Once other drivers received time penalties, he is now 2nd.
It's simple really

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Could someone with access to the qual sheet please swap Moleman and me (PAL-GT300 place 4 and 5)? I have a slightly faster time than him.

Done 👍

 

[cicua]

Done 👍

Thanks 👍

 

[Filip_Ovik]

Hi, I would like to be in the waiting list, couldn't make a qualifying lap in yesterday because WSGTC-PAL-1 was almost never online at the evening I've practise around 30laps so I know the track well. Hopefully I can join you guys tonight at Laguna

Filip

 

[XsApollo]

I was actually saying I should have ballast penalty. It's irrelevant now anyway same time with both runs.
I'll make sure I know what I am suppose to have for next race.
Thank you for your patience

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Hi, I would like to be in the waiting list, couldn't make a qualifying lap in yesterday because WSGTC-PAL-1 was almost never online at the evening I've practise around 30laps so I know the track well. Hopefully I can join you guys tonight at Laguna

Filip

Filip the account doesn't need to be online for you to go into it's lounge, you can go into any of your friends lounges when they are not online.

The accounts are only ever online when an admin logs in to accept friend requests.

Next time just go into the lounge, most of the time someone else will be in there 👍

I will add you to waiting list

 

[NEPALII]

Ballast is given out on preliminary results. On this basis he was 5th.
Once other drivers received time penalties, he is now 2nd.
It's simple really

Shouldn't ballast be applied on FINAL results? The final results are the ones that matter. But I'm ok that way as well

 

[paulmac2k9]

I guess its there to sorta say sure you can cheat to win but all youll do is gain full ballast and lose points relative to the ballast, thus promoting clean racing 💡.

 

[twistedfirework]

Shouldn't ballast be applied on FINAL results? The final results are the ones that matter. But I'm ok that way as well

Example.
A driver wins a race and cuts a corner on every lap. He gets a DQ.
Never mind, that will count as a dropped result, or gets a DQ and 40kg of ballast.
Will it make sure people drive to the rules?
Will a clean driver ever be worse off?

 

[paulmac2k9]

I sorta tree'd you Twisted but you went into more detail .

 

[twistedfirework]

Last week I was beating you to it. Lol.
At least we are saying the same thing. 👍

 

[NEPALII]

So you are saying that if a driver wins commiting infractions(cutting corners, taking out other drivers, etc..) he will still receive ballast for 1st and then be dropped down on the points?

 

[paulmac2k9]

Yes. Atleast thats my understanding of it. Twisted can confirm .

 

[Litchi]

Hi, I would like to be in the waiting list, couldn't make a qualifying lap in yesterday because WSGTC-PAL-1 was almost never online at the evening I've practise around 30laps so I know the track well. Hopefully I can join you guys tonight at Laguna

Filip

Hi Filip. Which is your car finally? GT300 Apex MRS or GT500 Lexus Eneos?

 

[twistedfirework]

So you are saying that if a driver wins commiting infractions(cutting corners, taking out other drivers, etc..) he will still receive ballast for 1st and then be dropped down on the points?

Correct 👍

 

[NEPALII]

Ah I like that then So you make sure he races clean next time! Thanks for clearing that one up 👍