New Year Holiday Challenge: SLS AMG GT3 '11 Overtake Challenge

[StirlingMoose]

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

Went and fetched a new G27 this evening... and it's FUBAR... the won't hold the centre position... going to have to take it back tomorrow and get another one

Put your old pedals in the box. That way you'll have two sets of pedals, one for your new G27 and one for the T300. Think of it as compensation.

 

[Stotty]

Put your old pedals in the box. That way you'll have two sets of pedals, one for your new G27 and one for the T300. Think of it as compensation.

💡

 

[ALB123]

Put your old pedals in the box. That way you'll have two sets of pedals, one for your new G27 and one for the T300. Think of it as compensation.

Just remember to remove any mods you may have done. I know a lot of people modify their G27 pedals. I only have the stinky DFGT, so there isn't much I can do. That bungee cord hack and stuffing a little foam behind the brake pedal are the only two things I know of.

 

[Mr P]

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

Went and fetched a new G27 this evening... and it's FUBAR... the won't hold the centre position... going to have to take it back tomorrow and get another one

That's the exact reason I took my G27 back to the shop and went back to the DFGT, my first G27 went like that after 3 days of use and the error was super frustrating! had to have the wheel at quarter to the hour to be able to drive down the start straight

Hopefully your replacement is waiting for you at the store Chris 👍

 

[Stotty]

2nd new G27 acquired, GTEye brake spring fitted, and this one works

Amazing how much smoother it feels after my old one - none of that clicking or notchiness with small steering inputs

Found almost another 0.1, and now on 1'03.666 for 14th.

Not sure if I've got much left now - I'm running constant 27.0xx at T1 (with a best of 26.984), but with a super fast T1 I have to wait for the GTR to get out of the way... I can see those ahead of me are passing it on the left, but every time I've tried this, I hit the outside wall... I'm guessing the left overtake would give another 0.2 improvement.

Some advice on the variable starts...

At first I thought it was as @ODB suggested, and the fast start came when the sky was slightly cloudy - my 1st start was clear blue sky, and the lines were ahead of me before the start. When I restarted, I got the cloudy sky, but I was still losing a good 2 car lengths down the hill. Restarted again, got a clear sky, but this time I was able to hold the gap to around half a car length... so there's really no easy way to tell if you've got the right conditions as far as I can tell... just trial and error.

 

[Bluesman81977]

1:10.5xx. This one seems tougher to me now, than the Pagani. I don't think I've noticed a different weather pattern yet.

 

[Stoop Solo]

1.06.6xx... Well. It ain't a great time, but it's a gold time. Funny how you just find these few milliseconds here and there, and not always where you think you would.

After watching the top replay to see what's involved in gaining three (!) more seconds, I frankly don't think I'll be getting my time down much further, as I am a mere mortal. Still, SLS secured, and despite some major profanity, I would actually say it was fun.

Now, let's see what the Huayra challenge is like... Yikes! This makes the SLS challenge look... reasonable. Ha ha ha ha ha no.

 

[Stotty]

Now, let's see what the Huayra challenge is like... Yikes! This makes the SLS challenge look... reasonable. Ha ha ha ha ha no.

 

[Bluesman81977]

1.06.6xx... Well. It ain't a great time, but it's a gold time. Funny how you just find these few milliseconds here and there, and not always where you think you would.

After watching the top replay to see what's involved in gaining three (!) more seconds, I frankly don't think I'll be getting my time down much further, as I am a mere mortal. Still, SLS secured, and despite some major profanity, I would actually say it was fun.

Now, let's see what the Huayra challenge is like... Yikes! This makes the SLS challenge look... reasonable. Ha ha ha ha ha no.

Good luck on that one. I did that one first, now I'm working on this one.

 

[Ali]

Not sure if I've got much left now - I'm running constant 27.0xx at T1 (with a best of 26.984), but with a super fast T1 I have to wait for the GTR to get out of the way... I can see those ahead of me are passing it on the left, but every time I've tried this, I hit the outside wall... I'm guessing the left overtake would give another 0.2 improvement.

Have you tried braking later and taking a wider line? The faster you go, the easier it should be to overtake the GTR.

 

[GTP_Ezza75]

Hope these help those having trouble golding...doing just enough for a Gold time

 

[Dalone]

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

Went and fetched a new G27 this evening... and it's FUBAR... the won't hold the centre position... going to have to take it back tomorrow and get another one

Good to see you have a working one now Stotty.
I hooked up my new G27 today but the boys have taken over it. They go to bed soon so I'll have a crack at it then.
I'd like to ask you if a CD came with it as mine had none, but looking online it seems they should although that may be on the earlier G27 which came in a different package showing only a steering wheel on the top of the box. This one is in a completely different box showing the wheel, pedals and gear stick on a black background with Logitech GT in white and then G27 in blue on the top of it.
Very disappointed that no real instructions came with it but that seems to be the norm these days, sending people to the 'net for them.

Update.. have had a few runs and completed the race with 1:10.333.
But wow! Turning is soooo better with the wheel, as I always reckoned it must be.
Lot of learning to do here though, it's not as smooth as I thought it would be. And keeping the pedals within reach, ha ha, work to do there.

Finished tonight at 1:07.344. I like this wheel, it seems to be very forgiving compared to the buttons on the DS3.
I wonder about the smoothness of the wheel in a straight line though. Should it feel like a real car does? Mine feels a bit clunky, not super smooth.
I know there are specific forums for these questions but I have known many of you here for some time and trust your judgement.

 

[Stotty]

Good to see you have a working one now Stotty.
I hooked up my new G27 today but the boys have taken over it. They go to bed soon so I'll have a crack at it then.
I'd like to ask you if a CD came with it as mine had none, but looking online it seems they should although that may be on the earlier G27 which came in a different package showing only a steering wheel on the top of the box. This one is in a completely different box showing the wheel, pedals and gear stick on a black background with Logitech GT in white and then G27 in blue on the top of it.
Very disappointed that no real instructions came with it but that seems to be the norm these days, sending people to the 'net for them.

Update.. have had a few runs and completed the race with 1:10.333.
But wow! Turning is soooo better with the wheel, as I always reckoned it must be.
Lot of learning to do here though, it's not as smooth as I thought it would be. And keeping the pedals within reach, ha ha, work to do there.

Finished tonight at 1:07.344. I like this wheel, it seems to be very forgiving compared to the buttons on the DS3.
I wonder about the smoothness of the wheel in a straight line though. Should it feel like a real car does? Mine feels a bit clunky, not super smooth.
I know there are specific forums for these questions but I have known many of you here for some time and trust your judgement.

Hey Dalone

Yes, that's exactly like mine came, but given it's simply plug and play with the PS3 you don't really need an instruction manual.

Suggest you look at a 'wheel stand pro' - I've had mine over 5 years now and it's really convenient if you haven't got a proper rig.

There's a small deadzone with the G27 on GT6... but you soon get used to it and it will be un-noticeable within a week or 2. Shouldn't feel clunky though... I'd suggest running torque at c.7-10 and the sensitivity setting at 1. Running high sensitivity makes the wheel flip from lock to lock too much, and this becomes distracting IMO.

Adjusting to a wheel takes some time. Try reading this report from Maz (@Synwraith)... it's his diary of his own switch from DS to G25 back in 2009.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/sixaxis-to-g25-1-year.115679/

Enjoy the wheel - makes the game so much more enjoyable

 

[Bluesman81977]

1:06.951. I'm happy with that. And i didn't even have to pass the last car.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Had another bash at this today and improved a bit to 1:05.651 but I just cannot get there fast enough to take the Beemer on the left. Having to go round the outside is a killer.
This start line bug is weird though. This morning it was starting in 3rd but I found that by holding the shifter down I could force it to start in 4th and could stay inside the top ghost all the way down the hill. When I came back to it later this didn't work. Although it did shift to 4th I was dropping back and there were blue lines in front of me before the start. Exited and came back in and it was starting in 4th and I was back up to speed. Holding the shifter caused it to start in 5th. Must be the weather.

Edit -
Found another couple of tenths later on but the only time I got near to passing the Beemer on the left I found myself in a narrowing gap between the car and the cones and.... well I knew I wasn't going to get away with hitting the cones.

 

[Stotty]

Just had another session, and finally got a 4th gear start

But it doesn't really give any advantage IMO... I was hitting similar T1's to starting in 3rd.

Improved by 0.03 to a 1'03.636 and 14th, but threw away a number of much better laps in the 90* right down the hill... just can't match @Sutuki and @mike_gt3 in that corner!!

 

[ODB]

Just had another session, and finally got a 4th gear start

But it doesn't really give any advantage IMO... I was hitting similar T1's to starting in 3rd.

Improved by 0.03 to a 1'03.636 and 14th, but threw away a number of much better laps in the 90* right down the hill... just can't match @Sutuki and @mike_gt3 in that corner!!

Great times I have bit trouble deciding weather I take that nissan from left or right and every time I nail the overtake I mess it up on the last long turn...

Had it first time yesterday at 4th gear at start (or at least I noticed it) and it really didn't seems to give any advantage. Also I'm starting to think that maybe it could be just ghost that aren't working, really not sure about it though... I really don't know if it makes any difference if there's clouds or not, but today with clear sky I was making first sector around 27.0xx 27.1xx (starting at 3rd gear) and after restart on cloudy sky I barely made it under 27.2 for some reason that I really didn't figure out.

@Stotty you remember is your current record on a clear sky? What sort of time you had on that first sector? Hopefully I have some time tomorrow to do some laps and maybe try to figure if there really is something weird going on, hope it's only the ghost lines that aren't working...

 

[Stotty]

@Stotty you remember is your current record on a clear sky? What sort of time you had on that first sector? Hopefully I have some time tomorrow to do some laps and maybe try to figure if there really is something weird going on, hope it's only the ghost lines that aren't working...

Clear this time.

No 26 T1's, but plenty in the 27.050 to 27.150 range.

Good thought on the ghost lines 👍

 

[StirlingMoose]

Do the AI always drive exactly the same race? It seems to me they only deviate if you hit them but I don't know for sure. Anyway if they do there's something up with the ghost's timing because I saw my ghost drive through one of them.

 

[ODB]

Do the AI always drive exactly the same race? It seems to me they only deviate if you hit them but I don't know for sure. Anyway if they do there's something up with the ghost's timing because I saw my ghost drive through one of them.

I really can't say for sure but for some reason it really seems so!!

For some reason it also seems that on a clear sky first part of the track it's easier to make good times, on cloudy sky I was struggling to make T1 under 27.2 but somehow I was making that time up before finish line...

Rather odd, but my driving style is just bit too wreckless to really tell what's going on I'll do some driving tonight and if I come up with something I let you guys know 👍

EDIT: @StirlingMoose I was meant to write it really seems that on a different weather AI is bit on different phase, I'm really no sure about it though...

 

[Jfrod]

Do the AI always drive exactly the same race? It seems to me they only deviate if you hit them but I don't know for sure. Anyway if they do there's something up with the ghost's timing because I saw my ghost drive through one of them.

Sometimes I´ve notice that I do better T1 (not always) and I did not pass the Audi yet. Another times I pass the Audi inmediatelly after the corner an my T1 is worst than before

Anyway I dont know how can you manage to get 27.0. Normally Im between 27.3 to 27.5

 

[Stotty]

Sometimes I´ve notice that I do better T1 (not always) and I did not pass the Audi yet. Another times I pass the Audi inmediatelly after the corner an my T1 is worst than before

Anyway I dont know how can you manage to get 27.0. Normally Im between 27.3 to 27.5

You can run 1'03'8xx off a 27.3xx T1

 

[Jfrod]

You can run 1'03'8xx off a 27.3xx T1

I need a lot of practice for that. My best time until now is 1.04.379
1.03.8xx??? Ok. I go for it

 

[ODB]

You can run 1'03'8xx off a 27.3xx T1

You can run under 1:03.8 with very low 27.3 at T1 just got to take the advantage of that BMW...


So I have done couple of restarts to see how this ghost thing could work: First run was cloudy sky starting with 3rd gear and I can see couple of ghosts .50 (or something) ahead of me after start line I can keep up with the at downhill. Second try was clear sky starting with 4th gear and at the same speed with fastest ghosts. Third try, clear sky 3rd gear and ghosts ahead of me so it probably has nothing to do with weather, unless there's more than two weather setups, witch I really haven't noticed myself and doubt about it quite much... So at this point I'd say that starting gear is somehow bugged, I'm really not sure and I really can't say what sort of effect it has on the end result, but I'll continue to run some laps and I'll keep editing this post if something comes up.

 

[Stotty]

So I have done couple of restarts to see how this ghost thing could work: First run was cloudy sky starting with 3rd gear and I can see couple of ghosts .50 (or something) ahead of me after start line I can keep up with the at downhill. Second try was clear sky starting with 4th gear and at the same speed with fastest ghosts. Third try, clear sky 3rd gear and ghosts ahead of me so it probably has nothing to do with weather, unless there's more than two weather setups, witch I really haven't noticed myself and doubt about it quite much... So at this point I'd say that starting gear is somehow bugged, I'm really not sure and I really can't say what sort of effect it has on the end result, but I'll continue to run some laps and I'll keep editing this post if something comes up.

It's the starting speed that determines the gear I think... so if you start 1-2mph faster, you get the 4th change before the 'Start'.

I ran a few restarts yesterday, and the weather is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned 👍

 

[ODB]

I ran a few restarts yesterday, and the weather is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned 👍

Well at least weather doesn't seem to effect this gear thing.

Just did 4th restart, starting on 3rd gear and now all the ghosts are running a way before there was just couple a head of me but now it seems like everyone is this seems to be really f'd up, I have to try what sort of T1 I can make out of this...

 

[Stotty]

Well at least weather doesn't seem to effect this gear thing.

Just did 4th restart, starting on 3rd gear and now all the ghosts are running a way before there was just couple a head of me but now it seems like everyone is this seems to be really f'd up, I have to try what sort of T1 I can make out of this...

The bolded part is the really interesting bit... if you can still run similar T1's it's probably the ghost lines that are fubar. If you're losing 2-3 tenths at T1 it's an issue with inconsistent starting speed.

Don't think I've seen this on any previous TT's!

 

[ODB]

The bolded part is the really interesting bit... if you can still run similar T1's it's probably the ghost lines that are fubar. If you're losing 2-3 tenths at T1 it's an issue with inconsistent starting speed.

Don't think I've seen this on any previous TT's!

Ok, so it seemed to me that I was making T1 around 27.3 when ghosts were quite far already at start, after restart I can still see your name and a little blue tail, but now I'm making T1 around 27.2 so it would really suggest that slower start really is slower...

But this is nothing too comprehensive so I'll keep my eyes open for further observations 👍

So after couple more restarts I'm just more confused if someone could do some testing and see if there's something going on would be nice

 

[Jfrod]

Ok, so it seemed to me that I was making T1 around 27.3 when ghosts were quite far already at start, after restart I can still see your name and a little blue tail, but now I'm making T1 around 27.2 so it would really suggest that slower start really is slower...

But this is nothing too comprehensive so I'll keep my eyes open for further observations 👍

So after couple more restarts I'm just more confused if someone could do some testing and see if there's something going on would be nice

Clean sky. Some ghosts in front before to start. Takes a bit longer to catch the first car, in fact the T1 is a bit worst but its easyer tos catch the BMW
Anyway my lap time does not improvement
I prefer the clouds

 

[ODB]

Clean sky. Some ghosts in front before to start. Takes a bit longer to catch the first car, in fact the T1 is a bit worst but its easyer tos catch the BMW
Anyway my lap time does not improvement
I prefer the clouds

Ok so AI cars are moving at different phase depending on weather, and starting gear probably should be 4th but for some reason the car is late/slow every now and then and there fore starting 3rd gear and loosing some time straight from the beginning?

AI cars moving on a different phase would explain a lot of things already